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09-19-2012 06:05 PM

Topic tags/keywords: identify plane ht 5 12

I recently picked up this plane at an estate sale. It is unmarked except for “No 5 1/2 ” on toe and an H superimposed over a T with C and O superinposed over the “feet” of the H on the iron. The iron itself is heavily tapered, at the tail end it is the thickness of a run of the mill stanley blade but the cutting end looks to be about 3/16” thick. Otherwise, it looks and feels for all purposes, to be a Stanley 5 1/2 but the tole and handle are not rosewood (but of similiar shape and feel) and the screws on the posts holding the wood in place are steel and not brass. I have been searching here and other places but can only find one other picture of one and they do not list a manufacturer. I was able to get a good copy of the logo though. Thanks for any help! Tim


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#1 posted 09-19-2012 06:29 PM

I beleive one other lumberjock popped up with a plane with the same marking a while back, althought I can’t find the link. I think it is a stamped used by Bemis & Call Hardware & Tool Company, out of springfield mass. A quick web search didn’t find much, and it didn’t particularly specify hand tools as patents they held.

That said, they could have been one of the many tool dealers to stock a rebranded stanley line. Although this would be the first I know of that replaced the stock blades with a tapered one. Please let us know if you find any more details in your hunting. I’d also be interested in seeing pics of the plane, if you have the time.

-- Chris @ Atlanta - JGM - Occam's razor tells us that when you hear hoofs, think horses not zebras.

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#2 posted 09-19-2012 09:33 PM

Chris, thanks for the info. Here are a few quick pictures I snapped with my phone. Its in pretty rough shape with lots of surface rust and I havent had the heart to remove the tape on the tote yet.

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#3 posted 09-19-2012 09:51 PM

Man, I’ve never seen that logo before! I bet Don or Smitty would know. I’ll ask them. It’s a very handsome logo.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#4 posted 09-19-2012 09:56 PM

My infill has a cutter mfg’d by ‘Howarth’ of England… the only ‘H’ I know of…

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#5 posted 09-19-2012 10:00 PM

Looks like something from Ohio Tools Co., maybe one of the Hardware Companies they supplied irons to.

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#6 posted 09-19-2012 10:35 PM

Most Ohio tools stuff had a zero in front of the numbers, so a #5 was a #05. They also had a rise in the tote where the front screw goes. The lat adjuster and flat top blade is similar to Ohio tools, but Keen Kutter had some similar designs and they were made by Stanley and Sargent I believe.

If I had to bet, I’d say it was made by Sargent. Either way iot should clean up and be a great plane. One of use will stumble over the logo again.

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#7 posted 09-19-2012 11:31 PM

Here is another one.

http://www.goantiques.com/h-t-co-1598843

I think its Hartford Tool co. I can’t find much information, but I think they are fairly rare.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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#8 posted 09-19-2012 11:32 PM

T H …. witherby maybe???

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

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#9 posted 09-19-2012 11:45 PM

Don W: you never cease to amaze me, man!

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#10 posted 09-19-2012 11:51 PM

Nice Find Don! Interesting that the other plane also has the tapered blade. A whole new species of plane to covet. :)

-- Chris @ Atlanta - JGM - Occam's razor tells us that when you hear hoofs, think horses not zebras.

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#11 posted 09-20-2012 12:05 AM

Thanks everyone for the replies. Don, that one you link to is the only other one I was able to find. On a whim I googled Hartford tool earler thinking it was a logical choice since so many makers of that time were centered in the Northeast. Found very little on it. Now that begs the age old question- clean her up and use her like I do with the Stanley’s I find or leave as-is? Japanning is actually in fairly good shape under the crud, just the bare metal parts are crusted in surface rust.

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#12 posted 09-20-2012 12:29 AM

Stanley use to buy up smaller companies that they wanted to eat up or they had a patent they wanted or were threatened by. You can see this easily in old Siegley planes. You will find the ones with the screw “lever cap” then all of the sudden they look like a Stanley. This is because after Stanley bought the company they would still produce the plane with a Siegley name, but it would be a stanley plane, lever cap and all. Usually the blade would have the distinction. Back in these days loyalty for ones area was huge so one would prefer to buy a plane with Siegley on it if they were made down the street over a Stanley. They would keep the name for a few years until they just stopped.

I would think this would fall into that definition. Stanley bought out Hartford Tool Co and kept producing these planes with the HT CO iron. That is distinctly a Stanley base.

Good find and enjoy.

-- -Sam - Tampa, FL- "A man who carries a cat by the tail learns somthing he can in no other way" -Mark Twain

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#13 posted 09-21-2012 12:00 AM

i’ve been really intrigued by this plane. i found some planes that are branded as “hudson tool company” that are listed as being made by ohio tool company. i could only find a few pictures online, but none of them looked to have that same iron logo.

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#14 posted 09-21-2012 01:01 AM

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#15 posted 09-21-2012 01:20 AM

http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/antique-machinery-history/pratt-whitney-112051/

So according to this web site, Hartford tool co was bought out by Pratt Whitney. You learn something every day.

I’d clean it up and use it, but I’d keep it as original if you want to retain its value.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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