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slopjock78

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09-19-2012 02:50 PM

So i’ve been on the look out for a nice used band saw and a drill press. Today i found a guy fairly close that is selling his entire shop, and just happens to have both of these items. So, was looking for a little help if anyone has any experience with these items:

First is a Craftsman professional 14” bandsaw. The other is a Delta Table top drill press. I havent got the model number for them yet, but i have asked for them and waiting to hear back. Does anyone have any insight on these from just a general stand point not knowing the exact model numbers. i will update this thread as soon as i find out more.

thanks in advance for the help


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knotscott

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#1 posted 09-19-2012 03:33 PM

Price and condition are keys to the attractiveness of any used tool. The Cman 22401 14” is allegedly a Rikon clone, and is a pretty well regarded saw at the right price. I’d guess that the right price is < $300 used in very good condition.

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#2 posted 09-19-2012 03:39 PM

As a general rule of thumb, used tools start about 50% of their retail price. In some cases where the tool is almost brand new, there may be some room.

ALWAYS get the model numbers and look for what the tool costs new, about how old it is, and peoples general opinion. The new craftsman professional 14” bandsaw is fairly highly regarded. You can get a brand new one for 340.00, so I don’t think I would pay over 250.00 for a used one. Remember that in most cases warranties are not transferable. Also in your research you will find some tools have weird quirks. Learn to spot them and try to rule them out when you look at the actual tool for sale. The alignment issue on the Ridgid R4512 is a good example. In my opinion the R4512 WITH an alignment issue is worth about 100$ for spare parts.

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toolie

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#3 posted 09-20-2012 05:36 AM

+1 on knotscotts comments. if that BS is a 22401, it’s a nice little saw with 8” of resaw, CI table and wheels, a dual voltage 1.5hp motor, 2 speeds, a light, a fence, 2 miter slots. the new c-man 14” professional BS on sale @ sears isn’t up to the standards of the 22401 (has less features). in good condition, $250-300 is almost a gloatable deal for a clean 22401. good luck.

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slopjock78

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#4 posted 09-20-2012 01:17 PM

Morning, guys, thanks for the comments. Got some more info back on them:

Bandsaw is a 119.224010 with what he said is VERY minimal use. the pictures do seem to confirm it is in good shape. it does have a light and a pm1000 mobile base. however, he is asking $400 or it

As for the drill press, it is a Delta DP350 benchtop model. comes with a rockler drill press table, asking $500.

these prices seem pretty steep to me for used equipment, given what they are. He is also 80 miles from me, so dont know if i want to drive that far in hopes he will drop down significantly on prices. He does have over 80 clamps, but not sure its worth the diesel in the powerstroke to buy a few clamps at a good price….

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#5 posted 09-20-2012 01:22 PM

What are you going to do with the equipment? I find that I need the space under a drill press than only a floor standing model will provide. I need resaw capacity of at 10” to have thin veneers that are 9” wide which requires some horse power (1.5 HP works fairly well and 2.5 HP is much better). We have various different needs. Nothing is a good buy if it does not meet your needs – unles you are in the equipment buying and selling for profit business – which I do not recommend.

-- Ed

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slopjock78

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#6 posted 09-20-2012 01:35 PM

Right now i would definitely have more use for the drill press then the band saw. I do some work that a band saw would be nice for, i just use my jig saw for it now. The drill press will be used for just normal drill press type stuff. drill holes and using a chuck mounted sanding drum. nothing too fancy with either one

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lumberjoe

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#7 posted 09-20-2012 01:41 PM

That is A LOT of money for a mediocre 1/3 hp drill press. Fine Woodworking gave it an overall rating of “Fair”. I just got a drill press (floor stander, 16 speed, 3/4 hp) at Harbor Freight brand new for under 200.00. I love it. Extremely powerful, runout is all but non-existent, is reviewed well just about everywhere, and all adjustments work and work well. The table sucks, but IMO any drill press table sucks on every model I looked at. I just made my own borrowing on what Steve at WWMM did with his.
I also love making shop jigs and will use any excuse to make one.

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trophyjoe

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#8 posted 09-20-2012 02:12 PM

LUMBERJOE is spot-on. Unless you really know about the tool being offered, do not buy. I’ve regretted nearly every impulsive used tool purchase. Often, people sell “hardly used” tools because they’re junk. On the flip side, nearly every new machine I ever bought has been a keeper.

Personally, I think the tools in question are priced too high, even if they are great tools. For sure, the drill press is way too high. Heck, I’ve seen decked out Shop Smith’s selling for that kind of money. I’ve never owned one of those, but I think they’re worth a look. I just wouldn’t plan on using the table saw attachment.

Try making a list of what brands and models you would buy new and then wait for one of those to come along. You should, of course, include out-of-production models. And take a look at equipment built in the USA, typically before about 1980, especially Delta and Rockwell/Delta. It really is true; they don’t make them like that anymore.

Recently, I came upon an estate sale and got a sweet Delta drill press built about 1950. It was well maintained and I paid $150 for it (a fair price). If you exercise some patience, odds are good you’ll find better deals.

If you need a tool right away, take that carefully prepared list to the tool store and buy new. Just buy the best you can afford, and then some.

I hope this was helpful.

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knotscott

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#9 posted 09-20-2012 02:14 PM

I’d be looking for new for those kinds of prices, or at least higher grade. Those owners apparently think quite a lot of their used tools…let them keep ‘em.

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slopjock78

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#10 posted 09-20-2012 02:19 PM

Thanks for all the help guys. As always, you are all very helpful. I’ve lived without either of these tools for a little while now, and can surely continue to do so until i find what I need for the right price. When i originally posted this i had no idea the prices that he was going to be asking for him. And yes scott, he is most definitely going to keep these for those kind of prices…

thanks again for all the advice

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