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Forum topic by Sheila Landry (scrollgirl) posted 09-15-2012 02:36 PM 1080 views 1 time favorited 16 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Sheila Landry (scrollgirl)

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09-15-2012 02:36 PM

Topic tags/keywords: saw stop

For those of you who were following this. I didn’t see this mentioned in the forums yet. I am just providing the information that I read because I thought it would interest some of you.

http://www.cabinetmakerfdm.com/87234.html

Sheila

PS – if this is ‘old news’ just let me know. The article was dated today, but it says the decision was made in August.

-- Designer/Artist/Teacher. Owner of Sheila Landry Designs (http://www.sheilalandrydesigns.com) Scroll saw, wood working and painting patterns and surfaces. "Knowledge is Power"


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IsaacH

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#1 posted 09-15-2012 04:50 PM

I love safety, but this is why the rest of the country makes fun of California.

-- Isaac- Decatur, GA - "Your woodworking....NOT machining parts for NASA!!!"

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Bob Kollman

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#2 posted 09-15-2012 05:06 PM

Well how did the nanny state let this one slip thru :) It is sorta funny, I heard on the news that New York, city has passed an ordinance to prohibit restaurants to sell soda in containers larger than 16 oz. so no American will die a gruesome death by the evil hands of Dr. Pepper.

-- Bob Kenosha Wi.

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ronbuhg

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#3 posted 09-15-2012 06:31 PM

this is UNBELIEVEABLE !!I am not even going to ask what in the world they are thinking…because they are NOT thinking about the safety of wood workers and the industry as a whole…SHAME ON THEM !!

-- the dumbest question is the one you dont ask !!

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Dennisgrosen

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#4 posted 09-15-2012 07:04 PM

even though he admid he is a big idiot of doing as a demostration
its also shows why its nessesery to get all the safty devices that can be build in to mashinery´s
as well as use them all the time …. even though an operation takes one minut more with them

http://lumberjocks.com/topics/41591

its a realy scary vidio to watch speciel the slowmotions seequenses (no blod )
please see the reminder to us why safty always have to bee on the top of our list
before doing something

take care
Dennis

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HorizontalMike

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#5 posted 09-15-2012 07:10 PM

”...“Right now, we can’t continue because what I really want to do is make sure that people know that this is not a one company bill,” Williams said….”

This was the 4th sentence in the article. The entire rest of the article was all about Steve Gass and SawStop technology.

Not yelling at Sheila here, but only in general TERMS about SS:

GIVE ME A Friggin’ BREAK ALREADY!!

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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bdjohns1

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#6 posted 09-15-2012 11:18 PM

Agreed. While I think SS is a clever idea, I think that the idea of building SS’s market share by legislative fiat at best stinks.

Yes, Gass deserves to be fairly compensated for his invention, but if he can’t get the technology cost down to where it’s reasonably transparent to the consumers, I can’t fault the consumer/contractor saw manufacturers for balking at being forced to include technology covered by his patents. If there is a lower-cost way to ensure TS safety that the manufacturers are sitting on, shame on them, though.

The fact that he’s having to buy influence doesn’t help his case. It’s a sad reality that there’s usually a price of admission, but the simple fact is that a scenario that’s a win/win for all involved parties and consumers wouldn’t need to have Gass and the PTI and other groups shoveling money into legislators’ pockets. Everyone who buys a SawStop has some amount of that $46,400 he spent on legislators embedded into the cost of their saw.

Personally, I’m a couple hours of work away from putting my little TS either on a shelf or on Craigslist to be replaced by a EurekaZone / 80/20 hybrid setup.

-- Ben - resident cheese whiz.

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Bagtown

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#7 posted 09-15-2012 11:33 PM

oh no.
not
again

-- Mike - In Fort McMurray Alberta

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HorizontalMike

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#8 posted 09-16-2012 12:14 AM

Bagtown,... precisely.

End of story.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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OnlyJustME

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#9 posted 09-16-2012 12:49 AM

Can california wipe my butt too? I’m afraid i will not do it safely and fall off the toilet.

-- In the end, when your life flashes before your eyes, will you like what you see?

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47phord

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#10 posted 09-16-2012 02:46 PM

What I love about the whole SS debate is that it’s proponents act like it’s technology makes it so safe that a 5-year old can use it with no fears of injury. Flesh sensing tech. or no, you can still hurt yourself badly-maybe not as badly as with a regular TS-but bad enough. I’m glad this one died, we don’t need any more nanny laws.

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EEngineer

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#11 posted 09-17-2012 01:33 AM

Yes, Gass deserves to be fairly compensated for his invention, but if he can’t get the technology cost down to where it’s reasonably transparent to the consumers

The problem has never been the technology cost. The problem is Gass’s licensing fees. He wants 8% of the retail cost of any saw sold using his technology. The cost of the technology itself pales in comparison.

For comparison, similar inventions work on licensing fees that are related to manufacturing cost and rarely exceed 5% even then.

All of this is verifiable on the Web. I did it, you can too.

-- "Find out what you cannot do and then go do it!"

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Knothead62

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#12 posted 09-18-2012 10:37 PM

Kind of makes you want to go back to hand saws.

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Kelby

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#13 posted 09-19-2012 08:26 AM

Thank goodness the State of California is in such good shape that our legislature has nothing better to do but tell us what tablesaws to buy.

-- Kelby

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#14 posted 09-19-2012 08:40 AM

The problem has never been the technology cost. The problem is Gass’s licensing fees. He wants 8% of the retail cost of any saw sold using his technology. The cost of the technology itself pales in comparison.
That is the problem in my view.

What happened to invention for the common good?

If California wants the common good, then they should oppose the 8% SawStop licensing fee as well.

I happen to own a SawStop, made the future wife happy and made me feel a little safer. However, I find it sad that the company is putting 99% of their marketing efforts into the break mechanism—it actually is a great saw as well, so please SawStop, skip politics, reduce the horror stories and images on your homepage and tell people something about the quality of the saw instead.

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lumberjoe

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#15 posted 09-19-2012 12:12 PM

At least California legislators had sense enough not to pass it. I think our friends in NY are worse. They just banned large sodas (seriously)

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/13/health/new-york-soda-ban/index.html

-- www.etsy.com/shop/KandJWoodCrafts

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