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09-11-2012 09:11 PM

Topic tags/keywords: california table saw law dies not passed sawstop safety law safety law

California Table Saw Law Doesn’t Make the Cut

The Bill DIED… It is DEAD! Did NOT PASS the Senate!

IMHO, GOOD!

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"


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#1 posted 09-11-2012 10:13 PM

Good…I will keep my nose out of politics if politicians will keep their nose out of woodorking.

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#2 posted 09-11-2012 11:34 PM

A rare wise decision! They can’t legislate against stupidity.

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#3 posted 09-11-2012 11:54 PM

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#4 posted 09-12-2012 12:01 AM

I see both good and bad with this bill, most importantly politicians constantly make laws limiting our choices. Its stupid voters putting stupid politicians in office. They only want to make history, all the good history was made a very long time ago. Their can only be one first African American president and thank god he did something to be remembered for other than just being African American! The good side to that bill would only have been cheaper table saws that help save fingers in California for those interested in them but do not wish to pay $2000 fora table saw. If someone wants to be safe its up to the individual, there is too many things out there that will harm you.

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#5 posted 09-12-2012 01:37 AM

What really bothers me is what appears to be a less than honorable way of doing business on the part of SawStop. They want to force their technology on the public and hold all rights from other manufacturers. I don’t think I want to do any business with a company that will openly take advantage in such a shameful way

-- Gary, DeKalb Texas only 4 miles from the mill

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#6 posted 09-12-2012 02:30 AM

I hope it is dead everywhere!
I feel that it is nice to have the technology available if you feel you need it. But don’t force all manufacturers to use it. It jumps the cost up of a table saw and I think it will train a person to get a false sense of security and be less cautious when using a table saw. Safety needs to be learned first, then there are no problems if you plan you work a table saw in a safe manner. I like the 4 inch rule. Never allow your fingers to be closer than 4” to a cutter. If they would be , make a holding fixture.
I don’t have a saw stop, but I have about 40 pusher sticks available. I use one in each hand on the table saw almost all the time!! I have all my fingers after 50 years.

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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#7 posted 09-12-2012 02:35 AM

The only thing about what you say I disagree with is “They want to force their technology on the public and hold all rights from other manufacturers. ” If this Law passed How on gods green earth would SawStop be able to build the amount of table saws to sell in California. Keep in mind California has an estimated population of 37,691,912 people. How many table saws would be required for all the cabinet shops, carpenters, and home owners? A lot more than what sawstop could possibly produce! Maybe they have some wicked voodo cooked up?? Also how many engineers reside in the state of California? Perhaps one or two of them could manage stopping a rotating blade?? This is just my opinion. I doubt manufactures would like loosing that much business they would figure something out. If this law was to pass it would not effect me much because 1 I already have a table saw and 2 there are more important things to worry about in politics. A obvious 3 would be I do not live in California. I dislike being told I have to buy a certain product though. And to Joe when you elect someone in office you never know if he is going to say yes to sawstop because that is never a big issue on election day. “Yes Mr Governor what is your stance on SawStop?”

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#8 posted 09-12-2012 02:39 AM

yeah if that passes then what every single tool has to have that requirement there goes my investment.

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#9 posted 09-12-2012 03:08 AM

In cases like these, it’s best to know who to write / email, etc. to report how you feel about certain Bills being discussed / voted upon… including the Governor… As much Squeak we can muster goes a long way to get it greased. LOL

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#10 posted 09-12-2012 03:41 AM

If this Law passed How on gods green earth would SawStop be able to build the amount of table saws to sell in California.

They don’t have to! Gass has sewn up this technology with patents that cover every conceivable variation of the technology. Now, out of the goodness of his heart, Gass is willing to license the technology to any other manufacturer for 8% of the retail price of any saw that incorporates his technology. That doesn’t include the cost to implement the technology, only the license to use it! If it costs $0 to implement, it would still raise the retail price of any saw using this technology 8%. Most invention licenses involve the manufacturing cost, not the retail price and even then, most licenses for this kind of technology don’t approach 5% of manufacturing cost. This is legislative blackmail!

Make no mistake! This is Stephen Gass trying to use government mandate to get rich!

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#11 posted 09-12-2012 04:53 AM

” If this Law passed How on gods green earth would SawStop be able to build the amount of table saws to sell in California”

Wouldn’t be an issue.. since the law would have only effected new saws sold within the state, it would simply drive sales out of the state. You would see large increases of sales in Arizona, Nevada and Oregon as well as an increase in online ‘mail-order’ sales that ship from just across the border. Prices on used machines would also spike considerably. The days of finding killer deals on Craigslist for a Unisaw in CA would be history.

Glad it didn’t happen and people are free to purchase the saw they want at a price they can afford.

Cheers,
Brad

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#12 posted 09-12-2012 05:09 AM

Joke legislation. Sawstop doesn’t make sliders and probably cannot
do it at any better than Taiwan quality. The Germans set the
standard in sliders and if you look at what shops doing the
most volume are using, they are using sliders from Germany
and Italy because those are the saws that produce the best
cuts that can be edgebanded at high volumes with a negligible
reject rate, part to part.

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#13 posted 09-12-2012 07:57 AM

Glad it’s over for now. Knowing Gass and for what seems to be his drive for greed; they’ll try to get it in another why like attaching to a health care bill. Kind of like the 3.8% tax that will be imposed when you sell your house after 2012. This was buried in the health care. Great politicians we have, they didn’t even read it. As most replied, “I didn’t know it was there.”

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#14 posted 09-12-2012 08:31 AM

Kind of like the 3.8% tax that will be imposed when you sell your house after 2012. This was buried in the health care.

LOL!! Man, you need to stop watching faux news and get out there a bit.. That same claim was made during the 2010 campaign and promptly debunked.. seems to have been dredged up again this go around as well. Politifact rates it as a ‘Pants on Fire’ lie. It’s been disproven by everybody from snopes to even realtor.com (you know, the guys that actually sell houses for a living) over and over again, and is laughingly referred to as “The claim that just won’t die” :)

Politifact article: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/25/chain-email/3-8-percent-tax-real-estate-transactions-health-ca/

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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#15 posted 09-12-2012 09:08 AM

I don’t want to get into the SawStop good vs evil argument. I see merits on both sides and am insufficiently educated on the matter to make an argument.

But I had an idea. One that would, of course, never happen.

If SawStop has filed patents that make it essentially impossible for another manufacturer to legally produce a machine with a similar safety feature and if such a system would then be required by law for all new saws…. could the government break SawStop’s patents? I realize that is a drastic step that is almost never done. But the federal government does have the authority to break patents. They almost broke the patent on the antibiotic Cipro after the anthrax letter incident.

True, this would hose the SawStop company and that would be unfortunate. But it might accomplish the goal of getting blade brakes in all table saws without one company having a monopoly on the technology.

Just a thought.

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