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Smallcrafter

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680 days ago

This happened to me recently. I was making a doorbell chime cover and I was using a piece of 1/2” white oak that was available. I got as far as adding a gentle curving radius to the bottom and those neat arts ‘n crafts windows when the nightmare started: chasing after square sides. I had cut the pieces on my POS table saw and spent a bunch of time chasing after a square edge ever since the first cut. A little bit trimmed here, take some off of there, and before I knew it I had hacked it all up. I was a) having fits over the fit and b) really disappointed. Since then I found that my rip fence had a place where the tightening mechanism bowed the sheet metal out at the very front. Then I also found that I have run-out on the blade shaft that results in a 1/32” to 1/16” slack wobble at the blade. Bearing’s shot, too. I went into the house to sulk and break the news to my wife. Her response? That’s a shame. Just go back out there and start on something else. I did. After sitting down in my shop to smoke my pipe and feeling sorry for myself I realized that she’s right. Just get back up, brush off the sawdust, and move on to the next project! Now I’ve found that I can cut almost perfect long cuts and even half lap joints using just my Japanese Gyokucho 10” razor saw. I’m at the point where I’m wondering if I really need a table saw after all. Great outcome to a disappointing project!

-- 'The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne.' - Chaucer


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joek30296

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#1 posted 680 days ago

“What a shame”. Yep….you need a new table saw.

Just my 2 cents!

Joe

-- "There are two theories to arguing with a woman....neither of them work"

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Fishinbo

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#2 posted 680 days ago

You know what the song said : In case you don’t succeed, dust yourself up and try again …

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hhhopks

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#3 posted 680 days ago

Learn how to tune your table saw or tune a new used one.

-- I'll be a woodworker when I grow up. HHHOPKS

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Smallcrafter

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#4 posted 680 days ago

The more I use hand tools the more I understand what mastering the tool means. For me a major part of the art and craft of my style of woodworking is to be completely involved in the process regardless how long it takes or how many times I have to re-do something over again. I’ve decided to junk the table saw and not replace it. Next the power sander and cordless drill will go back onto my basement workbench.

-- 'The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne.' - Chaucer

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Scott

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#5 posted 679 days ago

I was first inspired by Roy Underhill. I wanted to make everything by hand. Bought some chisels, some hand planes, some saws… then after awhile I wanted to get a project finished in a timely manner so I filled my shop with power tools.

Best of luck if you got the patience though, I just don’t possess that virtue myself :)

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#6 posted 679 days ago

Like Croden, I lack the patience to master the plethora of hand tools available, though I like playing with quality hand tools. I make boxes a lot and use quadrant hinges. Now the arm of a quad hinge is 5/16”. Until I bought a Lie Nielson 5/16” chisel, I had to use a metric 9mm chisel as that’s what is avaialable. This is 1.5mm too wide. The number of times I’ve lost the outer edge of a box side would make one cry. Not much you can do once that happens, but try and fix the whole box side panel!!! I’ve several open top boxes I use for storage now!! But gee I love that LN chisel!

-- http://www.damnfinefurniture.com

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#7 posted 679 days ago

Sounds like an excuse to get yourself a new TS…good luck

-- It's made of wood. Real sturdy.--Chubbs Peterson

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tomd

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#8 posted 679 days ago

Never view it as a failure but as a learning experience. You learned alot about your saw didn’t you. I have many failures but I known I’m pushing my limits so I must expect some failures. Also you begin to get very good at correcting or hideing mistakes. If you ain’t makin mistakes you ain’t learning.

-- Tom D

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Arlin Eastman

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#9 posted 679 days ago

I find the more I use hand tools the more I like my projects

-- It is always the right time, to do the right thing.

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Smallcrafter

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#10 posted 679 days ago

I understand that power tools are necessary and have a place in guy’s shops. My comments aren’t us v. them or power tools v. hand tools. We all have our own paths to follow and there is absolutely nothing wrong with using power tools, especially for speed and precision. Me, I don’t have a clock in my shop, I work with my supervisor (our cat Tigger) and don’t have music in the shop. I smoke my pipe and work away as fast or as slow as I want to spending time thinking out each move and looking for that next moment when I say ‘Now I understand how it’s done.’ I do have patience. Learning accuracy with cutting and fitting is something that I still have to master, especially with angled through mortises …those are tough for me. But I’m workin’ on it!

-- 'The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne.' - Chaucer

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#11 posted 679 days ago

Don’t fret. Happens to everyone; even to the experts. They just know how to cover it up better. It does sound like your need a new table saw. The most important thing you should look for is a saw arbor with little to no runout. Everything else about a saw can be adjusted or improved, but arbor runout will kill any cut accuracy. Obviously, the less runout, the more expensive will be the saw. I’m sure you have seen the “wobble” dado blades. An arbor with lots of runout cuts exactly like that dado blade and leaves splinters at the edge of the wood.

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rblaiklock

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#12 posted 679 days ago

and when you use hand tools, you don’t need to dust yourself off quite so much! Your lungs will thank you.

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404 - Not Found

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#13 posted 679 days ago

Even though this job went pear shaped, you will still be able to gain some pleasure from it as you toss it in the fire. Rub your hands together in its warm glow and remind yourself of the lesson learned. Have a drink too, you deserve it.

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#14 posted 678 days ago

Small – congrats on your decision to do away with the table saw! You might consider not junking it, of course. Even with the wobble and bad fence, ripping stock to rough dimension with a power tool is a good thing, just follow up by jointing with a tuned #8 hand plane. :-)

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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Smallcrafter

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#15 posted 678 days ago

Hey, Smitty…I can cut a pretty darned square length with Japanese hand saws. I tried making up my own fence from a piece of square cut scrap clamped to the table, but it even binds on such a simple cut. I’m a master metal refinisher by trade (brass, stainless & aluminum) working on everything from ornate cast brass pocket doors on banks to revolving doors, building entrances, and elevator work. My specialty was taking scratches/graffitti out of mirror stainless or mirror brass elevator doors and returning the work area to a mirror finish blending the work area in with the rest of the door. All of the work was done on site in corporate and commercial buildings. The brass was sprayed up with clear lacquer (I can spray with either hand while climbing up and down on a step ladder). I’m no stranger to working with my hands (or power tools for that matter) but prefer to be an active part of the process and not a machine operator. There’s just something about using hand tools regardless of how long the process is. I want to be part of the result and not just go through the motions to get to the result as fast as I can. But that’s me and in now way is meant to degrade anyone who likes using power tools.

-- 'The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne.' - Chaucer

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