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danjo

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08-31-2012 09:09 AM

I am a beginning woodworker and need some tool advice. I have been a building contractor for 10 years and have a lot of power hand tools and the nice Dewalt 15A table saw. I have a lot of experience doing fine trim work. I would like to get a band saw, jointer and maybe a bigger table saw. I have about $1800 to spend. I could go with Grizzly, but I don’t want to have to potentially re-buy wood working tools as I did with my carpentry tools. My shop only has 110V for now as well. I am also open to the idea of just getting one or two of these tools. If anyone has some advice it would be appreciated.

Thanks

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Handtooler

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#1 posted 08-31-2012 09:50 AM

I’m only an advanced novice, but I’ll bet you being a trim carpenter also have a fine compound miter saw. That’ll be very useful. Secondly, although Grizzly is Tiawan made don’t count them out. They have some fine machinery.

Now to the point. You’d do well to procure a fine band saw that’ll resaw somewhat wide boards and has bearing guides. Next a jointer and planer will be useful, But a router and table need to be considered early.

So yes step by step purchases is wise as you can come to afford them. Your current table saw will be sufficient until some of the other tools are possessed. And by all means you’re gonna need to upgrade to 220v single phase very early as many of the most heavy duty machines will require it. And don’t forget dust collection; a lagre capacity shop vac will suffice for awhile.

Plan your shop layout and don’t try to exceed its bounds and cramp yourself. This is my $0.02.

Russell

-- Russell Pitner Hixson, TN 37343 bassboy40@msn.com

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RyanRon

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#2 posted 08-31-2012 10:18 AM

How to Avoid Woodworking Accidents:
Working with wood means using sharp tools, heavy and sharp equipments, and electrically powered tools. To ensure that long-term damage will be prevented, workers should always check that the tools used are sharp. Sharp gears would mean fewer accidents. Heavy equipment should be used properly. There are cutting aids and jigs that guide the wood. If hand tools are going to be used, clamping the wood on the work table is advisable. Making sure that electrical tools are well grounded or are doubly insulated will prevent electrical injuries or worse, fire accident.

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knotscott

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#3 posted 08-31-2012 10:48 AM

Grizzly is often a great bang for the buck when compared to other Asian import tools, but with any of them, it’s important to evaluate each tool as opposed to buying based on brand name. A new Grizzly TS would eat up a chunk of your budget, and would run $800-$900 for a Griz 110v TS – G0715P, G0713P or the G0661….I’d skip the G0732. Other 110v options in new stationary saws are the Ridgid R4512 and Cman 21833 for < $600. Both have steel wings and aluminum fence, but are still full size saws. Jet, PM, GI, Steel City also have nice choices for more money. The CMan 22116 made by Steel City/Orion is an excellent 110v saw with cabinet mounted trunnions and a granite top.

Used tools are often the best value if the right deal comes along. If not, Grizzly’s 6” jointers and bandsaws are well regarded values.

Base your purchases and allocate your resources accordingly on the types of woodworking you plan to do….the TS is the center of my shop, but everyone’s different.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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lunn

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#4 posted 08-31-2012 11:05 AM

Ex carpenter here also interior of log homes and trim. Buy as you need. Upgrade as you need. It’s all according to what you plan to build. Clamps of all sizes are a must. Can’t get to many of them. Dust collecter, i finally bought one got tired of breathing dust. You don’t notice the dust as much doing trim in a house as you will in a shop doing repeated cuts. As Handtooler saiid Jointer, planer, router and table almost a must have. Alot of good used ones on the market shop around.

-- What started as a hobbie is now a full time JOB!

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kizerpea

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#5 posted 08-31-2012 11:29 AM

first get the shop 220 wireing issue done..then move on from there…look at some of our shops to get ideas for your shop..

-- IF YOUR NOT MAKING DUST...YOU ARE COLLECTING IT! SOUTH CAROLINA.

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toolie

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#6 posted 08-31-2012 12:13 PM

+1 on knotscott’s comments. just try to avoid jet and powermatic, unless they are older tools. IMHO, wmh tool group (parent of jet and powermatic) products are long on promise, short on delivery, expensive (making them poor values) and appeal primarily to uninformed tool snobs who are more interested in status symbols than woodworking.

-- there's a solution to every problem.......you just have to be willing to find it.

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knotscott

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#7 posted 08-31-2012 07:04 PM

If you’re planning 220v, it opens doors to the world of 3hp cabinet saws. A new Grizzly G1023RL at $1294 shipped is a sweet deal, but it hogs a lot of your budget…..but a good used 3hp cabinet saw for $600-$900 could be quite a score.

Check Craigslist in your area, and you just might end up with everything you’re eyeballing.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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teejk

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#8 posted 08-31-2012 07:48 PM

I’ll disagree with several aspects…on that budget a quality contractor saw running 120V will work. Jointer I rarely use much anymore but the same as above. Planer yes. Quality miter saw a definite yes (although I don’t think compound is needed). Bandsaw is a luxury I think. Looking at what gets used the most in my cheapskate shop, clamps, routers, biscuit, drill press.

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danjo

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#9 posted 08-31-2012 08:19 PM

Thanks for all the feed back. Keep it coming if possible. I have a nice miter saw and router. I found this it looks decent but maybe priced high? What do you guys think?

http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/tls/3234657336.html

-- http://cookcontracting.webs.com/

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47phord

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#10 posted 08-31-2012 08:34 PM

The best advice I can offer is read through all the tool reviews here and elsewhere before buying anything, you’ll find that some products-even by supposedly ‘good’ names-don’t hold up so well in practice. That’s what I did before buying my surface planer, and I’m glad I did. Also, if possible, consider buying refurbished tools. You can get a like-new tool at a substantial discount.

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knotscott

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#11 posted 08-31-2012 08:46 PM

That old Delta is well made….$300 is more than I’d want to pay, but an of $250 is fair. Or there’s this one for $350 or best offer.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Clint Searl

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#12 posted 08-31-2012 08:50 PM

If you have a CMS or SCMS you don’t need to replace the TS; save it for ripping. Depending on the TS setup and how straight and clean it rips, the jointer may be avoided. The bandsaw is very useful; keep it on the list. A benchtop planer should be on the list, too. And, a 1/2” router.

-- Clint Searl....Ya can no more do what ya don't know how than ya can git back from where ya ain't been

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teejk

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#13 posted 08-31-2012 10:44 PM

that jointer is nice old Rockwell cast and the price isn’t bad. But echoing Clint I wonder how many people use them anymore since quality TS fences/blades do a pretty good job for panel glue-ups. Keep it on the list though if you want to get into rough lumber (to flatten boards before you go to the planer).

One router is not enough (I think I have 5 of them, all in the PC brand with a few plunge/fixed based combos). I don’t have enough clamps (they aren’t cheap). Kreg pocket hole system is a newer addition to my shop and I wondered why I didn’t do it earlier. Mortiser gets used once and a while as does the tenon jig. Drill press gets used a lot. Doing drawers lately had me dust off the Leigh dovetail jig (expensive toy but I actually get some joy from it). I have never much liked my Delta 13” planer and a real planer is on my list.

Dust collection is my #1 priority…but what I want would blow your entire budget and you wouldn’t have any tools to generate it.

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huff

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#14 posted 08-31-2012 11:43 PM

danjo, Depending on the type of woodworking you will be interested in doing and “how much” woodworking you will be doing should help you determine which tools you may want to purchase now, what you may be able to do without for awhile and what you may not need at all. Will this be just a hobby you do in your spare time, or will you want to make a living doing woodworking?
Not only the type woodworking you want to do, but also where and how you will be buying your lumber will make a difference what you may need. I’ll use myself as an example: I made my living doing custom woodworking for over 25 years. I built mostly bigger items in both furniture and cabinets. My table saw was the real workhorse of my shop and even though I had a planer and jointer, I didn’t use them near as much as my table saw, since I had a hardwood supplier that I could purchase my lumber from that would offer any of their lumber any way I wanted; S2S ( surfaced 2 sides) to any thickness, S2S and straightlined one edge, or S4S ( surfaced all four sides). I have a good 14” bandsaw; not for resawing, but I love to do smaller items also (like bandsaw boxes), so it’s been used mostly for that. The one tool I used almost as much as my table saw was my ProCut Door machine, used to make raised panel doors. Now most hobbiest don’t have a need for such a tool, but I retired this year and sold most of my large tools and down scaled to smaller tools, including my table saw so they would fit in my small shop at home. The one tool I wish I hadn’t sold was my door machine. I’ve built two complete set of kitchen cabinets and a couple vanities for family and friends with my small table saw, No door machine, no planer, and no jointer. I still consider it some of my best work….......I just had to work a little differently to complete each project. I know this doesn’t help you pick out tools, but don’t be in too big of a hurry to purchase every tool. Your shop will also have to be a determining factor with what you will be able to have. Handling your dust will be important and don’t forget to give some thought to what type finishing you plan on doing on your projects also. Good luck.

-- John @ http://www.thehuffordfurnituregroup.com

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Gshepherd

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#15 posted 09-01-2012 12:22 AM

Chiming in here, lots of darn good advise posted thus far…..... What is your goal? A little bit of everything maybe? First is you need toget 220V service. You mentioned you do not want to rebuy equipment. This I know to well cause I made that mistake myself. Just start making dust and as you do projects you will see what you will need and keep building from there. Do research, check CL everyday for the sweet deals… Old Iron will last forever if you take care of it and some darn good deals out there….. If questins you know now where to ask them some darn good guys on here and well experienced and mostof us have been where you are right now.

Most of All be safe…...

-- What we do in life will Echo through Eternity........

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