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Lothar

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08-27-2012 02:12 PM

Why is it so hard to decide on a table saw thses days?

OK I am replacing a small craftman 28462. Looking for something considerably more heavy duty. I will be moving the saw about every 3 months.

Here are the options that I have found in my price range.. Which would be the best saw and are these resonable prices? Has anyone used the Ridgid Lifetime warrenty? Is that a big hassel or might it be worth buying new to have that?

Ridgid R4512 New
Delta 10” Contractor Table Saw (used) $400 (See picture)
General lr63420 model d 2003 (used) $500 (See Picture)
Craftsman 152.221140 (used) $350


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Cole Tallerman

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#1 posted 08-27-2012 02:21 PM

Defiantly the General. It is a good company and that saw looks to be newer and has a far better fence then the other saws. Over everything, i would suggest waiting for a cabinet saw but the general should do just fine.

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CharlieM1958

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#2 posted 08-27-2012 02:26 PM

General has a good reputation, and that appears to be a better built saw than the Delta. It appears to have cast iron wings while the Delta does not, and the fence looks more robust as well. I can’t really say anything about the Craftsman one way or the other.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#3 posted 08-27-2012 02:52 PM

$400-$500 is way overpriced for a used contractor saw. That model Delta sold for ~$550-600 new, so even in pristine condition should be priced used for less than $300. Don’t know as much about the General, but it is in the same range. It does have a decent fence, so that ups the value a bit, but not to $500 IMHO.

The Craftsman is the closest to being priced correctly. I might be willing to offer 300 on that model in really good condition.

-- "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money." Alexis de Tocqueville, 1835

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Bill White

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#4 posted 08-27-2012 03:10 PM

General, but negotiate the price. The cast iron wings are a real plus.
Bill

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knotscott

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#5 posted 08-27-2012 03:12 PM

The GI at least has solid cast wings, and an excellent Biese fence. It’s a good saw, but $500 is a tad steep for what is essentially an outdated design (no riving knife).

The Delta is too much for an older contractor saw with steel wings and a starter fence.

The 22114 could be a good deal…solid cast wings, cabinet mounted trunnions, and nearly 400# of heft, but the fence is a bit marginal. You could add something like a Delta T2 for $158 shipped, sell the stock fence for $50-$75, and have a nice hybrid with a good fence, solid cast wings, and cabinet mounted trunnions for ~ $425 out of pocket.

The R4512 has a riving knife, steel wings, and a marginal fence.

I’d go for the 22114 with an updated fence, or the GI…hopefully for a bit less than $500.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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CharlieM1958

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#6 posted 08-27-2012 03:49 PM

For those commenting that the General saw is priced too high, I would point out that the cheapest retail price I could find on the internet was $1,000.

I can’t say whether the saw is really worth $1,000 or not, I’m just saying $500 represents a big discount over retail.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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knotscott

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#7 posted 08-27-2012 04:03 PM

The General “International” 50-185M1 (not a Canadian made General) is very similar to the PM64a, which I think is also overpriced at current retail of $1K. I bought one new in 2003….going rate was around $700, and it was one of the better buys back then for an older style contractor saw with the outboard motor, connecting rods, and a traditional splitter….hybrids were’nt very popular then. It’s also very similar to the former Jet, former Griz G0576, Bridgewood, etc. I upgraded from the GI to the Cman 22124 with the Biese fence….the 22124 had cabinet mounted trunnions, very similar fence, full enclosure, 44” of solid cast iron surface, and weighted ~ 425# vs 300# for the GI. Both were good saws with excellent fences, but the 22124 had most of the advantages IME. The GI had a motor rated at 2hp vs the 1.75hp for the 22124, but it was easier to get the alignment dead on with the 22124, plus it had a more efficient drive belt, so the 22124 ended up with slightly better ripping power (IMHO).

The 22114 is pretty similar to the 22124 but with a 3/4 enclosure, lesser fence, and possibly 1/4hp less motor. I don’t think $500 is a terrible price for the GI in nice shape, but it’s not a steal, and I think the 22114 offers a better buy with the fence upgrade (if it’s in good shape….no pic shown on that one).

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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AJswoodshop

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#8 posted 08-27-2012 04:20 PM

I would get the General, great machine! If you could get the general at $400 dollars, that would be a great deal!

AJ

-- If I can do it.....so can you! -AJswoodshop

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Bertha

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#9 posted 08-27-2012 04:21 PM

Another vote for the General. Although the Rigid enjoys a pretty good reputation here. Price is right, too, for a new tool.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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JayT

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#10 posted 08-27-2012 04:44 PM

I see where you are coming from Charlie.

Here is my take and why I, personally, feel that it is overpriced. The prices of contractor style saws have really jumped in the past few years, due to the additional safety features and the price of cast iron, but I base used pricing on 1/2 of when that unit was new, not what a current new model would cost. When that General was new, it was probably around $700-750. 1/2 of that means starting around $350, add a bit for the upgrades and it says $400 to me, not $500.

All that said, regional differences and will come into play. I see used saws that are the same level of these priced $200-300 in my area often enough to not spend a bunch more than that. Different areas of the country will have variations. If good used saws get snapped up quckly, then it might be worth $500 to someone else in another part of the country.

-- "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money." Alexis de Tocqueville, 1835

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James

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#11 posted 08-27-2012 04:46 PM

A lot of people seem to really like the R4512 in spite of a few its short comings but for $529 you get a brand new saw with a riving knife and an integrated mobile base. I have bought a couple saws off CL and have not had great success and whenever I do decide to buy another saw it will most certainly have a riving knife.

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RogerM

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#12 posted 08-27-2012 05:07 PM

Forget the Craftsman and go with the General. The Delta would be my second choice. A riving knife is not a big deal in my opinion.

-- Roger M, Aiken, SC

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CharlieM1958

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#13 posted 08-27-2012 05:51 PM

I can’t argue with your reasoning, Jay. Personally, I usually feel like if I can get something in good used condition for 1/2 of what it would cost me to go out and buy a brand new one it is a good deal. But having said that, I’m not sure any contractor saw (other than maybe a Sawstop) is worth $1,000.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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toolie

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#14 posted 08-27-2012 07:01 PM

ridgid 4512. if a HD honoring the harbor freight “20% off any single item” coupon can be located, the price goes from $500 to $400. it’s features make it a winner (CI table, included mobile base, riving knife, hybrid design) and the LSA can’t hurt. BTW, ridgid’s stationary power tools do not carry a lifetime warranty. they are eligible for registration with ridgid’s lifetime service agreement (free parts and labor for life).

-- there's a solution to every problem.......you just have to be willing to find it.

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JK0702

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#15 posted 08-27-2012 07:16 PM

I have 2 Delta Contractor saws and love them both. However, I think at $400 the one you’re looking at is over priced. I have seen them on CL for between $250-$350 routinely. There’s nothing I haven’t been able to do on these saws. I really didn’t need two, but one was given to me. I set it up with a dado blade and use it specifically for that now. I haven’t used the General or Rigid, but the Craftsman isn’t nearly the saw the Delta is IMHO. I’d recommend negotiating the price on the Delta, I bet you can get it for a lot less.

-- John - Huntington Beach CA

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