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Charlie

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08-27-2012 01:29 AM

Topic tags/keywords: jointer

By the end of this week I’d like to have a jointer in the shop. I don’t have one now and I’ll need one for some upcoming tasks. I don’t need anything bigger than a 6 inch and probably couldn’t fit anything much bigger into my shop. As it is I’ll have to rearrange stuff to stuff in a jointer, but once I got a PLANER I can see I need a jointer.

Not much available locally (HD, Lowes, Rockler, etc) that fits a rather meager budget. I’m looking at a Grizzly GO654. It’s priced at $382.50 if I go pick it up. Otherwise it’s an additional $79 shipping and $33 or so for liftgate. My problem with them sending it is that MOST of the negative things people have to say about these things is the condition they ARRIVE in after being shipped.

Muncy, PA is about 4 and a half hours away. It will cost me roughly $80 for gas round trip near as I can figure. Think it’s worth the drive for this jointer? Sales tax is less in PA than it is here in NY and I’d have it in a day rather than waiting for them to ship it. The GO452P is priced at $445 and, frankly, between the savings in sales tax and not having to pay for liftgate delivery service, I might be able to justify that as an upgrade.

Been checking CL and once again, there’s nothing but “vintage” craftsman bench models or stuff that’s way out of my price range. If I left here at 6am I could probably be back by dinner time. :)

I have one place to call in the morning that’s NOT HD or Lowes and who handles equipment to see what they might have in stock, but…..

thoughts on those 2 jointers and am I nuts to drive 4 and a half hours to buy a jointer?

Thanks


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Grandpa

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#1 posted 08-27-2012 01:38 AM

I don’t think you are nuts to make the drive. I have no experience with that jointer so I couldn’t comment either way on it. I think it would be worth the drive to me. I would buy the longest bed and the widest bed I could afford and get into my alloted space. Just my 2 cents

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felkadelic

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#2 posted 08-27-2012 01:39 AM

I’ve driven up to Grizzly in Bellingham, WA several times for pickup (which is about 80 miles north of me).

Also, I have a G0452Z (the spiral cutterhead version) that I love. Alas, no room for an 8” jointer in my shop :(

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AJswoodshop

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#3 posted 08-27-2012 01:42 AM

I would go with the grizzly GO654, its a great jointer! It has a lot of cool features, and a great price for the value. I’ve heard a lot of good reviews on it too. Good luck on which one you pick!

AJ

-- If I can do it.....so can you! -AJswoodshop

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AandCstyle

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#4 posted 08-27-2012 02:17 AM

Charlie, go for the gusto! Make the drive, get the maximum machine you afford and fit into your shop and enjoy it for years as opposed to being slightly dissatisfied with having “settled”. JMO YMMV HTH

-- Art

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#5 posted 08-27-2012 02:24 AM

What’s wrong with ‘vintage’ ?? A jointer is a pretty simple machine and their design hasn’t changed in decades other than to use cheaper materials.

:)

Cheers,
Brad

Edit: There are a ton of really nice 6” jointers on CL (Buffalo) ranging from about $100 to $200 including a kick-arse rockwell, really nice Buffalo and a super clean AMT to name a few.. and those craftsmans will clean up easily!

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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Dan Krager

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#6 posted 08-27-2012 02:32 AM

Charlie, you and the rest of the LJ world can call me crazy, but I’ve never fully realized the need for a jointer. I have one rusting in the corner. It’s an attachment to an RBI planer molder I have. To straight edge a piece, I simply screw a straight edge to it at each end in the waste area and saw it. I can do that almost as fast as anyone can safely put boards through the planer multiple times. I’m done in one pass no matter what amount needs to be taken off. I end up with a straighter piece glue joint ready without the planer marks than I could get off a jointer unless the jointer is twice as long as the board. They are a pain to maintain. For twisted, or cupped boards, they either get ripped and re-glued, or if they’re not too bad a hand plane takes off the high corners quickly. You can also put twisted boards on a moving bed (like a known good 2x??) and wedge up the corners for your thickness planer to take care of (be careful here!). Usually, if the board is bad enough to twist once, it will do it again, so it’s either firewood or gets cut into small enough pieces the twist doesn’t matter. That’s my solution here. But once you get the tool wants, even a cold shower won’t do.
Dan

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#7 posted 08-27-2012 03:17 AM

Charlie
I have a good number of Grizzly tools including a jointer that I’m very happy with. Like many pieces of equipment in the shop there’s almost always another way to do any given operations,but for me it’s hard to beat a jointer for quick and easy edge joining and face planning.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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#8 posted 08-27-2012 03:18 AM

I live in New York myself and ordered a bandsaw from them on Sunday, only paid liftgate service and freight price (unless tax was added in, the price was exactly what it said on their website plus $79 plus $34 for lift gate and nothing else was added on) not only that it was here the day after the day I ordered it Tuesday. I can’t say anything about their jointers (I’m looking into them myself) but they are very fast and I didn’t pay any sales tax. Good luck.

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#9 posted 08-27-2012 06:45 AM

Charlie, like a1Jim said, there are some other ways you may ahve to achieve your goal. You can use your router table for edge joining if your stock is not too thick. For material 2” or less I use a long straight cut double flute bit. I set a couple thin washers against the infeed side of the fence. Then place a 24” steel ruler against the washers and move the ruler to the cutter with the cutter so it’s as close to the front of the table as possible. Now slide the outfeed side of the fence out to touch the ruler. Whatever the thickness of the washers you use will be the depth of the cut. Works in a pinch if you don’t have a jointer.

-- Darrell, making more sawdust than I know what to do with

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Charlie

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#10 posted 08-27-2012 11:24 AM

Appreciate the input. I’ve tried the router-as-jointer thing and it was kind of fiddly to get it set up right, but it worked ok to edge joint small-ish pieces. I was never totally satisfied with the result. A planer sled is something I might consider for certain larger slabs, but if you were making 19 cabinet doors (for example) and wanted to make sure you had nice straight pieces for the frames, the planer sled would not be very efficient for doing 72 pieces that are kind of small.
I also have a straight line ripping jig for the table saw. It works extremely well and in fact I used it to glue line rip some walnut for a couple of small counter tops. That jig is a keeper. But for pieces only 2 inches wide, maybe 2 and a half, I’m not sure how safely I could secure them. This still doesn’t address the face.
I have a wonderful #7 Anant and it can peel shavings so thin you can actually read through them, but again…. 72 pieces for 18 doors and that’s just one project coming up.

As far as what’s available on CL (Buffalo), I’d grab that rockwell in a heartbeat if it wasn’t 3-phase, the Buffalo jointer needs a LOT of cleaning up and who knows what parts, The craftsman ones all look a bit small or need considerable cleanup. The AMT…. I just never heard of AMT. They went out of business about 15 or so years ago. How would you get parts if needed?

I’m kinda in analysis paralysis. If I spend less to get something used locally, will I wish I had bought new when I had the chance?

Wife said, “You want a jointer? Get one. Happy Birthday” hehehhe…. my birthday is next month, but …. that’s cool.

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Dan Krager

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#11 posted 08-27-2012 11:28 AM

Ya, he’s got the wants. Just listen to all that rationalization! Enjoy your jointer, Charlie, and be safe! LOL.

-- Dan Krager, Olney IL http://www.kragerwoodworking.weebly.com

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Charlie

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#12 posted 08-27-2012 12:35 PM

Now don’t be that way, Dan. I’m re-lookin’ at the used stuff. :) See I’d REALLY like a new Weber Genesis and if I spend all this money on a jointer I won’t get a new drill for sure. :)

Oh and locally I can get the steel city jointers, but I’m just not hearing great things about them.

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woodklutz

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#13 posted 08-27-2012 01:12 PM

Order one from Amazon they have most brands. Free ship no tax and if it is not right not return it within 30 days, no hassle. I for one would not purchase any where else.
In my opinion the only place to shop.

-- honing my craft one mistake at a time.

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MrUnix

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#14 posted 08-27-2012 05:26 PM

I just never heard of AMT. They went out of business about 15 or so years ago. How would you get parts if needed?

American Machine and Tool Co. They were located in Royersford, PA. and a very well respected company within the old iron crowd (check OWWM). They also made a lot of tools for Craftsman (149 prefix). The guy is asking $200 but I bet you can get it for less. It’s a very nice heavy duty long bed jointer. and it looks like it’s complete, so I’m not sure what parts you would need other than perhaps blades and bearings. The bearings are standard and can be found anywhere (6202 and 6203), and the three blade cutter head takes standard 6” x 1/8” x 5/8” blades (sets can be found online for under $25, eg: the Freud C350 3-blade set ). From looking at the manual it appears to be all stock with it’s original stand, which is a bonus! I would be all over it if I was looking for another jointer and was up in your area!

As for 3-phase.. don’t let that deter you as it’s an easily fixed situation. Same with machines that look pretty rough in the pictures.. surface rust is easily removed and you can use the appearance as a negotiating point. You don’t need to do a full restore if you don’t want to.. most times just cleaning up the table tops with some WD-40 and scotch brite pads and sharpening the blades will get you a machine that works wonderful and will last decades.

The Craftsman jointer are pretty solid machines, although their beds are not the longest.. however, if you are not using very long stock, they are an excellent choice and since they are plentiful, most can be had for really great prices.

I searched around the NY area CL and there are tons more up in your area.. way more than we have down here, I guess due to the fact that a lot of these machines were produced up in your neck of the woods. I even found a Makita 2030 (which I have two of), but the guy wants a stupid high price for it.. You do appear to be in a prime area :)

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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#15 posted 08-27-2012 06:23 PM

Check out HF. I’ve got one and it’s a peach.

-- A positive attitude will take you much further than positive thinking ever will.

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