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CharlieM1958

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696 days ago

I posted this the other day, and now I have a question for you Stanley plane-typing gurus:

I pegged this as a type 6 initially. The frog receiver, and the construction of the lateral adjustment lever definitely match with a type 6, and not a type 5. However, all the dating sources I usually refer to state that the threading of the adjustment wheel was changed to left-hand on the type 6, and this one definitely has the older right-hand threading.

I know it’s fairly common to see mismatched parts on an old plane, but I’ve never seen a single piece (the frog, in this case) that seems to contradict the type studies.

Any thoughts?

Type 5 lateral adjustment lever:

Type 6 and later lateral adjustment lever:

Here is the latest I just picked up from the post office:

It’s a sweet little No.5, which, at first glance, appears to be a type 6 (1888-1892). It looks ugly as heck right now, but there is really not a thing wrong with it. Trust me, it will clean up beautifully. I was the only bidder, at a grand total of $20 with FREE shipping.

I see lesser quality #5’s selling all the time in the $30-$40 plus shipping range, but I reckon the price on this one was killed by the dreaded hanging hole drilled in the sole. I see this all the time. Plane buyers seem to avoid these like the plague. Am I missing something? I realize any alteration hurts the value of a real collectible, but an old #5 is about as rare as a flea on a dog. So is there some practical reason for staying away from these that I’m missing?

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"


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chrisstef

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#1 posted 696 days ago

It wouldnt bother me in the slightest. Shes a user not a trophy, like ya said #5’s are a dime a dozen.

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

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Richard

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#2 posted 696 days ago

I think it’s a case of wanting a “complete” or “undamaged” specimen.

It reminds me of many years ago when I worked in a retail computer store – a customer came in one day and wanted to see one of those new fangled portable inkjet printers. We didn’t have one on display, so I opened a new unit in the box and set it up and demo’d it for him. He wanted to buy one, just not THAT one, because it wasn’t new in the box any more.

A hang hole wouldn’t bother me, because I know it wouldn’t affect performance, assuming everything else was in good shape.

-- "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." - Mark Twain

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Greg The Cajun Box Sculptor

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#3 posted 696 days ago

Charlie…It seems practical to have a hole there for hanging it on the wall….but I am not in to the collectors mentality of nothing can be altered. I buy tools to use them…not display them.
Some woodworkers also believe that the hole will allow shavings to shoot up through it and hit you in the face. Ha!

-- Every step of each project is considered my masterpiece because I want the finished product to reflect the quality of my work.

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Brandon

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#4 posted 696 days ago

I’ll admit, I don’t care for the hanging holes, but that wouldn’t stop me from bidding on a plane with one. I had one plane (Stanley 40 Scrub) with two hanging holes, but I just filled them in with epoxy and painted the top of the sole black—-didn’t even notice the holes after that.

-- "hold fast to that which is good"

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racerglen

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#5 posted 696 days ago

With you Brandon, got a couple myself, bit of metal repair epoxy, paint atop, and the grey stuff blends prety well on the busness side. #5 C and a 101 drilled through the finger rest.

-- Glen, Vernon B.C. Canada

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Mosquito

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#6 posted 696 days ago

my #7 has 2 holes, either hanging holes, or make shift jointer fence holes. They don’t bother me at all… I’m using it, after all… if I were THAT worried about the value being decreased because of the holes, I probably wouldn’t be using it in the first place…

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN -- Stanley #45 Evangelist - www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods

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LittlePaw

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#7 posted 696 days ago

That’s quite a find, Charlie. I can’t wait to see it after you’re done cleaning it up!

-- LittlePAW - The sweetest sound in my shop, next to Mozart, is what a hand plane makes slicing a ribbon.

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TopamaxSurvivor

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#8 posted 696 days ago

just be glad everybody else hates holes ;-) hate to have to pay double for it, eh?

-- "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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Mosquito

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#9 posted 696 days ago

Hmmm… TopamaxSurvivor, you’ve got a point there…

I’d like to revise my answer to being: “Booo hanging holes! They’re the worst thing ever, the plane doesn’t work at all no matter how much tuning you put into them if they have hanging holes… everyone should avoid them at all cost, and shouldn’t ever buy one…” ;-)

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN -- Stanley #45 Evangelist - www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods

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AKSteve

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#10 posted 696 days ago

I can’t understand the hole? why hang it like that when you have a perfectly good knob on the front to put a leather strap around? I guess that’s why I am the amateur :)
And how can you tell what the number is? I can’t tell anything except it’s a pretty good looking planer! LOL.

-- Steve - Wasilla, Alaska

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grizzman

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#11 posted 696 days ago

wow, so thy dont buy them just because of that little hanging hole, gee, i guess im going to start watching for a few of these, well worth 20 bucks…i dont need a whole wall of planes but i do want to have the ones necessary for doing the work…nice plane charlie…i already know you know how to clean them up…so i look forward to seeing this one restored..grizz

-- GRIZZMAN ...[''''']

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TopamaxSurvivor

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#12 posted 696 days ago

Steve, I have never seen anything hanging on anything but nails or pegs when I have been in old shops. When that plane was in use, people didn’t have garbage; everything was reused. Leather was probably saved for shoe and harness repair.

-- "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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Gregn

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#13 posted 696 days ago

Hanging hole? You sure that isn’t a hole for an aux. handle? LOL
I have a block plane with a piece broke off the body, works fine, paid only 50 cents for it.
Did good if ya ask me.

-- I don't make mistakes, I have great learning lessons, Greg

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ChuckV

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#14 posted 696 days ago

That hole might be where you mount your light when you want to do some midnight planing without anyone knowing that you are in the shop.

-- “That it will never come again / Is what makes life so sweet. ” ― Emily Dickinson

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whitewulf

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#15 posted 696 days ago

Just cut it off, “Unique Variation”...........LoL

-- "ButI'mMuchBetterNow"

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