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mbs

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08-11-2012 04:19 AM

I really don’t NEED these machines but the thought of a slider has intrigued me lately. I mainly wanted it for the slider and the 16” jointer/planer I have an 8” jointer and a 15” planer now so I won’t use the felder unless I need it.

it’s a used machine that comes with a power feeder, 8’ slider, mortise attachment, tilting shaper, ane the other stuff that makes it equipped like a 741 p.

I’ll probably keep the unisaw for ripping and use the felder for cross cutting and cutting panels.

The person i bought it from became ill soon after he bought it so it doesn’t have many hours on it. It looks new in the pics.

I still have to go get it, re-arrange and wire my shop for the 5.5 hp motors. it it’s several hunderd miles away and it will be a beast to move.

-- Sorry the reply is so long. I didn't have time to write a short reply.


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mmlaing

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#1 posted 08-12-2012 01:52 AM

I have a cf741p and an af22 dust collector and I really like them. I have a second table for dadoing, (my felder is dado capable but not one of it’s shining tasks). I like the slider for crosscutting , the 16 inch j/p is great as well good like with your machine

Mike

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#2 posted 08-12-2012 03:04 AM

Hey Mike

Do you have the single or double trunnion? Wha don’t you like besides the dado and why don’t you like the dado.

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mmlaing

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#3 posted 08-13-2012 01:21 AM

I have a single trunion machine, the dado is a large metal disk with with cutters that have 4 sides that can be rotated to expose a new and sharp edge when the dado set shows signs of being dull. However, these cutters are not indexed or at least not that easy to adjust and once you move them (like I did for a sharp edge) they become misaligned and then the resulting dado is poor. My bosch tablesaw with a cmt dado set cuts much better dadoes and takes much less time to set up.

I have had my machine for 8 years now, I really could have done with a c731 with a 4 foot slider and had some extra room, the other part of the machine that is diffucult to use is the shaper, the fence is heavy and awkward to lift on and off the machine and it ties up the table saw when your using it. I have a second table saw , a mitre saw and I am building a large router table which is really duplicating the machine functions .

After having a second table saw I would not be without it, I like to keep it set up for ripping or dadoing and the felder for something else. The large router table will be great for small routing jobs and I will use the shaper with a (router spindle and power feeder for running trim and molding) which it does a good job at.

The things I like about the machine, no vibration, the slider is solid and precise, the 16 inch jointer/ planer with tersa heads is a snap when it comes time to change the knives, the mortising table works great.

Would I buy felder again yes, but I would a get dedicated tablesaw and 12” j/p , with my own router table if I had it to do over.

Mike

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MJCD

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#4 posted 08-13-2012 01:41 AM

Not my intent to hijack the post – but a question …

I have your standard 10” Unisaw, and it’s fine for what it is. I’ve very interested in the Felder (I’m a FOG member) for several reasons, and would get the 48”+- slider, no Shaper, and perhaps the 700 series J/P.

I would keep the Delta for standard rips, and the Felder for its slider and accurate cross-cut/miter cut capability. Does this make sense to you?
Thanks. MJCD

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#5 posted 08-13-2012 04:12 AM

Great info, Mike. I was torn between a felder and other used commercial sliders like scmi, Martin, altendorf… This like-new felder became available so I thought I would give it a try and sell it if I don’t use it. I can see how the 8’ slider and outrigger may be a lot to walk around if they aren’t used frequently.

The felder is pretty much a backup for me and I plan on using it like you do. I have a unisaw with a power feeder, a shaper, several router tables, 8” jointer, 15” planer, and a multi-router. I also have the Festool saw/router to cut and route panels.

I’m thinking of selling the standard jointer knives and getting a Byrd. I have a Byrd on my jointer and I love it.

I feel like I’m learning a new hobby because I’ve never used a slider, a scoring blade or a tilting shaper.

Mjcd – your plan makes sense to me. I have the same plan

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#6 posted 08-13-2012 09:55 AM

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#7 posted 08-14-2012 01:11 AM

mbs and mjcd it seems you guys have given this alot more thought than I did before I purchased a machine. I don’t want to give you the impression that it is not a good machine or that I am not happy with my purchase the opposite is true. But I will say that bigger is not always better, and that is certainly true for combination machines.

the full on combo (5 function) is cheaper that saw/shaper of j/p but you don’t really know what is right for you until you start using european equipment. for instance making a crosscut with a real slider is nothing like a crooscut sled or even and excalibur sliding table ( i have tried both of them) and my slider allows the wood to float accross the surface of the machine.

if you have any further questions drop me a line

Mike

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MJCD

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#8 posted 08-14-2012 01:42 AM

Some great information and discussion here.

First – one reason for considering the Felder J/P is the question of investing in Byrd cutters for both my DW735 Planer and a Powermatic 6” jointer. PM wants $1,000 for their cutter head replacement; and another $300 minimum would be required for the planer. These are workable machines; however, they’re not made for the long run.
Also, for the Slider, I don’t do much sheet/panel cutting; but an upgrade to my aging miter saw (cross-cuts) is $750 minimum (Bosch/Festool), and cutting anything other than standard rips on my Unisaw is a pain (I have a series of 9 degree miters to cut on long boards, and the table is only about 8” ahead of the blade). Having said this, anything longer than a 48” seems overkill for what I do.
I would not do a combo; as I would become frustrated with conversion (experience with Shopsmith decades ago; and then recently with a combo Table Saw/Router Table-in-extension-wing) – I don’t have the personality nor maybe the planning skills to do this better.
MJCD

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mmlaing

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#9 posted 08-14-2012 09:27 AM

It is a wonder that anyone wants anything to do with combo machines after having a shopsmith, but the felder change over from jointer to planer is a 30 second at most experience. the transition from shaper to table saw about
2 minutes if you have to lower the cutter beneath the surface of the table and move the fence off the machine.

the felder dado head is much like the Byrd system in that it is a bunch of small square cutters attached to a ring instead of a cylinder, maybe my adjustment skills need work but I hope the Byrd system works better than my
dado cutter.

I think it should be noted that when I bought my machine festool was not established in Canada and it was really a foriegn concept to us. If it had been available I would have got a track saw with a 8’ rail and bought the 48” tablesaw for every day use. my cf741p comes with the 81 inch slider which is just long enough to be a pain as far as space is concerned. I can’t imagine having a 8, 9 or 10 foot slider in a small shop like mine (under 1000 square feet) .

I would also like to say that if money were no object what so ever then the choice for me would be NORTHFIELD, while I admit they are not high tech they have an old “arn” appeal that I really like and no aluminum fences or plastic knobs. Martin also makes very stuff but I would no pay that kind of money for it.

the one thing about felder that might no be so obvious is the price of the machine is just the starting point,
you can’t use the machine for anything without adding accessories to it. they price them bare bones so that you don’t have to pay for things you don’t want or need, in other words every machine can be customized to your specs within the limitations of what felder calls the accessory program. my foresst blades (10”) were rebored for the felder and they work great.

I don’t have the mobile base, if I want to move the machine in the shop I rent a pallet jack for the job. I have done that twice in 8 years alot cheaper than having the johnson bar sitting in the corner. Like any elephant at 2400 lbs. once you get the d@# thing stopped you leave it be ;)

Mike

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#10 posted 08-15-2012 04:31 AM

I’ve looked at the felder website and I’m amazed at the price of the accessories. I will certainly be shopping the used market. The machine I’m buying has the most commonly purchased accessories. However, it has the heavy duty mortiser but no mortising bits. And it’s shaper comes only with the rebate and one profile cutter.

I’m feeling a little risky so I’ll take a chance on the machine.

I haven’t used a felder bandsaw before so i’m excited to try it. I know they didn make it but hopefully it will be good quality.

-- Sorry the reply is so long. I didn't have time to write a short reply.

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MJCD

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#11 posted 08-15-2012 05:35 PM

Felder re-brands top-notch Italian-made bandsaws – the Italians pretty-much own the high-end bandsaw industry. Felder is self-producing the FB600; but not the heavier-duty (as if you’d need it) x40 series – these have larger & heavier tables and resaw capacities.

The accessories are pricey; and you need to get your use from them, as they will work perfectly after years of abuse.
For my money, I’d go for the slider first, then the j/p – I don’t have that much need for a higher-end bandsaw.
MJCD

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#12 posted 08-19-2012 12:57 AM

I’ve been looking for a deal on a used Felder 731 for several years. How do you come by them so easily!

-- Dan Krager, Olney IL http://www.kragerwoodworking.weebly.com

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#13 posted 08-19-2012 03:54 AM

there will be a 731 for sale in AZ this fall. its hardly used. watch the phoenix craigslist.

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