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Forum topic by Nathan posted 08-10-2012 02:14 PM 7476 views 1 time favorited 361 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Nathan

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08-10-2012 02:14 PM

LumberJocks.com has always run under a set of posting rules that require users to treat each other with respect and to ”play nice”. Typically this isn’t a problem and users are helpful and kind to each other. The one area that does see problems though is the off topic / “non-shop talk” forum. This area is full of people fighting, calling each other names, and people completely disregarding our posting rules. Well… today that stops.

The temptation was to close down the entire non-shop talk area because of all the problems it causes. But the closer we looked the more we saw that the topics that were causing most of the problems were the ones where people were discussing Politics and Religion. These are sensitive issues that are rarely solved online and often bring out the worst in people. Because of this fact and because of the number of complaints we’ve had about these topics Martin, Debbie and I have decided to ban political and religious debates from the site. While some users get a kick out of the topics they are not what this site is about and cause to many problems to be allowed.

We’ve added the following to our posting rules:

Because of their divisive nature, political and religious debates, and thus postings, are prohibited at LumberJocks.com. Please refrain from starting or taking part in such discussions.

We will be closing political threads (a new feature) as we see them and ask that you don’t start any new ones or bump any old ones.

A NOTE ABOUT RELIGIOUS PROJECTS: We want to make sure it’s clear that while we are banning political and religious debates from the site WE ARE NOT BANNING RELIGIOUS PROJECTS. You are free to create them and post them. Comments on these projects should be about woodworking though and not used as an area for debate.

A COUPLE OF MORE NOTES: There are a few things that need to change around here besides the Politics and Religion. There are a hand full of people who like to abuse others. Most of them point their finger at each other when you call them out on it and claim they are innocent. I think we are done with these antics and you need to either start treating each other with respect or expect your account to be banned soon.

On that note let me throw out a suggestion. If you have a specific problem with a specific person send that person an PM or ignore them. Please do not call them out in a thread about them or tell the world who you have blocked and why. All this does is cause problems.

I’m sure there is more but I wanted to make sure everyone was aware of what was going on. You are welcome to add your comments below but we have made up our mind on the Politics and Religion debates and I’m sorry to say we wont be changing them.

Thanks.


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americanwoodworker

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#1 posted 08-10-2012 02:35 PM

Although I disagree with your move, I cannot blame you for it. I still like the site and will continue to visit.

-- Your freedom to be you, includes my freedom to be free from you.

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KnickKnack

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#2 posted 08-10-2012 02:43 PM

Good call.
It’s something of a shame these things can no longer be discussed, but, given the way they were often being “discussed”, I’m behind you 100% in this decision.

As an adjunct to this, perhaps everyone should have their slates wiped clean – how about you clear everyone’s block list, or, better yet, get rid of the feature entirely?

-- "Do not speak – unless it improves on silence." --- "Following the rules and protecting the regulations is binding oneself without rope."

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Joe Lyddon

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#3 posted 08-10-2012 02:45 PM

What happens to people who have stolen other members’ identity and making posts that appear to be those of the victim?

It results in postings by the Real person as well as the Phony one which, at times, are hard to tell the Real vs the Phony.

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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bunkie

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#4 posted 08-10-2012 02:49 PM

I have mixed feelings about this as I enjoy a good debate. Having said that, as I have said several times, this is your site and you make the rules and I respect that.

I won’t miss the rancor, the endless linking to outside websites and the personal attacks so, on balance, this is a good move.

That leaves only the SawStop as a third rail ;-)

-- Altruism is, ultimately, self-serving

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Brandon

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#5 posted 08-10-2012 02:51 PM

I think this is for the best since there has been so much negativity floating around those topics. Here’s to a healthier Lumberjocks community!

-- "hold fast to that which is good"

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Nathan

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#6 posted 08-10-2012 02:51 PM

KnickKnack People block others for all sorts of reasons. I don’t want to assume it’s just about Politics and Religion so I think I’ll let people clean their own lists. I don’t think those lists are problems until people start making them public. I appreciate the feedback and support though.

Joe Lyddon That’s a real problem and I need to talk to Martin about the idea of being able to change your name and the problems it causes. I will say this though, someone doing that to cause problems in the future probably wont be around long.

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ClayandNancy

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#7 posted 08-10-2012 02:52 PM

Thanks Nathan for your actions. Sorry times when we have to do things like this because of a few. Thanks again, still the best woodworking site out there.

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RetiredCoastie

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#8 posted 08-10-2012 02:56 PM

It’s a shame that you’ve had to take these measures but given the circumstances I believe it’s completely warranted. It’s always the case when a few immature people can’t be respectful and cause the majority to lose out. I guess I have two questions. Why not just ban the ones that can’t be respectful and leave the forum untouched? The other question would be, If you are banning Politics and Religion from the OFF TOPIC forum will it be changed back to where you don’t have to take special steps to view the latest topics? Thanks for listening to those that have voiced there concerns!

-- www.thepatriotwoodworker.com Proud Supporter of Homes For Our Troops

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AKSteve

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#9 posted 08-10-2012 02:58 PM

I really like alot of the people here but I really can’t stand their politics. It’s better I don’t know there affiliation and know them as Talented woodworkers! so Thank you for your Decision. :)

-- Steve - Wasilla, Alaska

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Nathan

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#10 posted 08-10-2012 03:05 PM

RetiredCoastie It’s more than just a few trouble makers. Politics and Religion seems to bring out the worst in everyone and people lose respect for each other. It’s funny that AKSteve made his comment right after yours because it reflects the way a lot of people think. Good people turn bad, people lose respect for each other, and in the end it’s more trouble than it’s worth.
I’ll also add this. If you ban the trouble makers but leave the topics open the trouble makers just come back under a new name.

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wiswood2

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#11 posted 08-10-2012 03:05 PM

Way to go guy .
Chuck

-- Chuck, wiswood2 www.wisconsinwoodchuck.com

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jdmaher

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#12 posted 08-10-2012 03:11 PM

Thanks for making this change.

I really enjoy woodworking, and in recent years my enjoyment has been growing. That’s partially due to this website. But the site was becoming a “hostile environment”.

While I tried to avoid the animosity, both topics and individuals, sometimes I can’t avoid being exposed to it. That ain’t what I want. In the 60’s I’d mutter “you’re bringing me down, man”.

And the nastiness was escalating. I began to wonder if maybe it was time to withdraw from the site – for the sake of serenity.

I hope all members try to comply with the intent of these changes, and find a way to be nice to each other. I’m getting older and I find I no longer have much time for rancor.

Please.

-- Jim Maher, Illinois

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nwbusa

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#13 posted 08-10-2012 03:15 PM

Hi Nathan, have you considered modifying the block functionality so that it would continue to prevent users who are blocked from PMing the blocker, but allow them to respond to forum posts? Allowing users to decide who is or is not allowed to respond to a forum post seems a bit extreme.

-- John, BC, Canada

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richgreer

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#14 posted 08-10-2012 03:21 PM

Thank You! Thank You! Thank You!

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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redryder

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#15 posted 08-10-2012 03:22 PM

As per usual, those in charge punish everyone instead of dealing with the very few who don’t ”play nice”.
This knee jerk reaction always happens when the other few don’t like what they see or hear.
I don’t participate in these political and religious games but I would never attempt to silence those who do ”play nice”.
Thanks for the opportunity to provide some feedback….......................

-- mike...............

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