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08-09-2012 03:44 AM

Topic tags/keywords: resource question trick disgust scam ripoff

I just wanted to write concerning the ever popular practice of scamming.. I am so tired of listing my hard earned craft on whatever site you chose and being bombarded by people trying to steal it from me. At least half of the replies that I receive from these sites are people trying to scam me out of my hard work.. I am so sick of it, I am ready to only build for me and my family, I put in a hundred hours or so on a nice piece of furniture and somebody wants to get it for nothing.. I am so frustrated by this, I just don’t know what to do.. so I am blowing off steam here… Just had a fellow who I worked with for almost a week, trying to insure that it was for real. try to rip me off via
PayPal.. just when I thought that that was one place that you could trust.. but NO..
Now I am not saying that paypal had anything to do with it, but I thought if you did your money exchange via paypal that your would be safe.. that is not the case.. Paypal did inform me that the message that was sent to me under their heading was not from them, and they helped me put the kabosh on the whole deal.. So I guess what I want to say is Be Careful.. they can get you a hundred ways to Sunday.. SO I guess I will ask you all, how do you do your business? what method do you use to insure that your being dealt with on the up and up?,,, you have to list your stuff to sell it, but man this stinks.. So hey fellow Jocks whats the best way to do business,, other than face to face of course… thanks.. Papa

-- Papa...

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#1 posted 08-09-2012 04:03 AM

Wow, you seem really steamed. Hope you didn’t loose anything on this venture.
I haven’t sold any of my work, but if I did, I would only build for a client with the understanding up front that they pay 25% up front to order a piece ( this to show they really want the build and cover materials), and the remaining 75% plus shipping due at time of shipping. No final payment, no shipment. This is the only way you can protect yourself.
I checked a few sites for professionals, and this is what they seem to do.
Hope this helps.

-- "I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The point is to bring them the real facts." - Abraham Lincoln

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#2 posted 08-09-2012 04:08 AM

this was my blanket chest that I just finished, I built it, because I wanted to, no one had ordered it. Sort of like spec building houses I guess.. thought that I would be able to sell it pretty easy,, I think it turned out really well.. so anyway.. from now on.. only what they order and pay for.. lesson learned I guess.. I still have a really nice 1785 blanket chest…haha PaPA

-- Papa...

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#3 posted 08-09-2012 04:10 AM

Ten years ago I had a marine electronics business online, selling VHF radio’s, Antenna’s, GPS, Fish Finder’s etc. I did NOT accept PayPal, credit cards only.

Reading the failed transaction logs from the credit card processor was a real eye opener. For every legitimate transaction there were dozens of failed attempts, meaning the processor rejected them for a variety of reasons, but it boiled down to someone was trying to rip me off and was stopped.

The horror stories about PayPal are legion. I would stay away from it.

-- "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." - Mark Twain

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#4 posted 08-09-2012 04:17 AM

Ya gotta watch the address bar! There will be a difference from the legitimate site’s address. In the last couple of months I have had at least 3 or 4 emails telling me my bank account or CC has been compromised. The email address will be close to the deal deal, but always a discrepancy, if only a letter or 2 out of place. Same with the address in the link to send you info so they can get the info to commit fraud.

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#5 posted 08-09-2012 04:21 AM

Papa, I saw the final blanket chest photos, looks nice. Good work, real impressive. I’m sure you’ll find a buyer. Try to sell local at craft fairs maybe. You might try to see if a craft store in your neck of the woods that has booths by many craftsmen (craftspeople ?) will sell on consignment. Heck, being up in historic country, there are probably tons of tourists looking for quality reproduction furniture, just got to figure out how to get in front of them.
Other that that, I’m out of ideas.
Good luck.

-- "I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The point is to bring them the real facts." - Abraham Lincoln

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#6 posted 08-09-2012 06:11 AM

I know you said other than face to face, but cash in hand is the only certain way. People can always try a charge-back on their credit cards if they are really trying to rip you off. I guess even with cash you have to check for counterfeit bills. What a crazy world we live in…

-- John, BC, Canada

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#7 posted 08-09-2012 09:45 AM

I take Paypal and have never had a problem (so far). I have had those emails like Topo said but you can check with Paypal to see if it is really from them.
Now this was a bit tongue in cheek but this is what I posted on Etsy for payments -

Payment #1 Pay Pal – accepts your credit cards; even if you do not have an account with them. #2 Money Order (Preferably USPS Money Orders) #3 Personal or Company Checks (Product will not be shipped untill check passes bank) #4 Gold, Silver and Gemstones #5 Barter might be aranged #6 Cash is nice only if you are standing next to me!

Payments should be made within a timely manner. Like let’s say within 5 days. And please keep in contact about your payment.

Haven’t had any gold silver or gemstones but the rest works.

I don’t know how many times you have tried selling with Paypal but getting bit is kind of a turn off.


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#8 posted 08-09-2012 11:12 AM

Papa, your Dilemma keeps a lot of people from working for themselves. I was self employed for almost 20 years. Even face to face you needed to be on your toes. Its amazing to me, the people that can look you right in the eye, and tell an obvious outright lie. I’ve worked with people who actually didn’t know how to tell the truth.

Trying to sell, and get paid, is what keeps most of my restored planes hanging on my shop wall. Ebay and paypal are ok, if you don’t mind 20% of your profit taken right off the top.

For now, I’ll just let them hang for me to enjoy.

-- - Collecting is an investment in the past, and the future.

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#9 posted 08-09-2012 12:21 PM

Don, it’s not lost profit if you factor it in with your cost.
It goes the same for offering “free shipping” but factoring that cost in. That entices a lot of customers, btw.

-- He who dies with the most tools... dies with the emptiest wallet.

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#10 posted 08-09-2012 01:06 PM

I don’t know, maybe I am just old fashioned. I was raised to believe that if you worked hard, were nice to people, were honest, reliable and trustworthy, that you could make an honest living and support your family. Its sad to say that this is not the case anymore.. instead its just an open door for someone to take advantage of you..The old saying is “nice guys finish last”. the real shame is that its true… I am tired of finishing last, I think that I will become a real S.O.B., I know that I will have lots of company and maybe I can rip a few people off.. Just not having a great day.. sorry folks…just pissed off I guess…. May your shavings be light, your irons sharp, and your feet covered in sawdust.. Papa

-- Papa...

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#11 posted 08-09-2012 01:14 PM

Cash, checks, postal M/O and CC. Checks require a hold on the merchandise until my banks notifies that they have cleared the purchaser’s bank. Can be 6 weeks.
15 years ago, I had a problem with PayPal….probably my slovenly book keeping…but I could never get it resolved. Quit using them.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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#12 posted 08-09-2012 02:35 PM

Papa, I’m sorry this happened and has gotten under you skin. I can’t fully sympathize because I’ve not detected anyone trying to rip me off. I would probably feel the same way though, if they did try. I have not yet sold anything on the Internet either so I’m not fully prepared to deal with the fraudulent attempts. I agree that cash or MO is the most fool proof. A check adds a lot of time to the process, though I might spend some time on procurement, as in finding the best prices and where to get things. A fraudulent check is prosecutable at minimal expense and usually expenses covered at end.
I charge 50% up front and nothing happens until l receive that in hand (bank). The rest is labor and profit, mostly labor. :( That steep up front discourages even some legit customers, but I’m not going to let myself get desperate. When I pay cash for something, I ask them if they are still taking these bad govt checks. They just smile and hand me change.
The memory will remain, but moving on with the wisdom of hindsight is good and proper. Don’t drag your chin too far, it just gets more sore. And the wound leads to an infection called “furniture disease”. That’s where your chest falls into your drawers!
BTW, you can stick your chest out over that chest! It’s beautiful.

-- Dan Krager, Olney IL One should always prefer the probable impossible to the improbable possible.

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#13 posted 08-09-2012 02:52 PM

I refuse to use PayPal!
I have a good friend who makes somewhat of a living on eBay, and he is about done with it. Not because of eBay, but PayPal. He sold an item to a fellow in the next state over. The guy complained that it was not what he thought, (even though this seller has over 1000 100% ratings), so he said he would refund the buyer’s money via PayPal. Did he get back his item? No, he got a box of rocks. He had the guy’s address here in the South, so he e-mailed him and said if the money was not back into the PayPal account in 2 hours he was getting back into his truck, guns onboard, and pay the buyer a visit.
The money was back into his account in an hour, but the turmoil and ulcers are just ridiculous.
PayPal is geared to protect the BUYER, not the seller.
When I sold off my wife’s collection fo Barbie dolls, someone hacked into my account through PayPal and emptied it, and they did a lot of others. PayPal denied it even happened. That’s when I closed my PayPal account.

I take checks, money orders, bank cheques, and the deposits of about 20-25% are NON-REFUNDABLE. Shipment is made when the final check arrives and is deposited. If you want a product from me, you’ve had the chance to talk to me, talk to others who own my stuff. So I make sure you are committed. Period. It’s a tough old world, and I don’t like losing. I do the best I can to provide the top guitar I can, often spending many extra hours to make sure it is just right. Last thing I need is some person trying to take advantage.

-- Tsunami Guitars and Custom Woodworking, Cleveland, TN

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#14 posted 08-09-2012 02:55 PM

thanks Dan, just blowing steam… I just don’t like dishonest people or dealings.. I try to go above and beyond to insure that I treat people with honesty and respect, would just like the same in return… I would rather take it out back and burn it then lose it to someone trying to rip me off.. would make one heck of a fire.. haha… Papa

-- Papa...

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#15 posted 08-09-2012 02:59 PM

Hey Don, I am still trying to figure a way to take one of those #8’s off your hands… if I can find a legitimate buyer for my chest, that’s one of the first things I am going to do.. I love your work, those planes are first rate once you do that voodoo that you do so well.. Or so the saying goes.. Blazing saddles I think.. thanks for the kind words.. Papa

-- Papa...

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