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08-06-2012 01:52 AM

Topic tags/keywords: woodstock d4160 110-volt paddle switch table saw switch electrical help question tablesaw

I bought a Woodstock D4160 110-Volt Paddle Switch from amazon to put on my delta table saw. It is an older contractor saw not sure on the model # the switch I removed has a white wire and a black wire. The switch I purchased has 4 posts on it. Does anybody know how I am supposed to hook this thing up?

Thanks,
Jeremy

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#1 posted 08-06-2012 05:46 AM

I just did a little Goggling. All I found was a million places to sell one with out much other info ;-(

I expect it is a 2 pole switch so it can handle a 240 volt motor, but I do not know that. If it is a 2 pole, put your wires on the 2 posts on one side of the switch. That will probably work. If it has a green terminal, it is for ground. Good luck.

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#2 posted 08-06-2012 05:55 AM

According to the specs, it’s a 110V switch rated for up to 1/2 HP.. and since it has four posts, I would imagine it’s just a simple DPST switch.. if you can’t figure it out from the instructions that came with it, it shouldn’t be too difficult to figure out with an ohm meter.. just determine what posts are switched and hook black to black, white to white (It breaks contact for both the hot and neutral to prevent electrocution in case of improper/reversed wiring at the outlet).

If that doesn’t make sense.. do this; hook one wire from your meter to any post on the back of the switch. Turn the switch on. Touch each of the other three posts to see which one gives you continuity. Once you find it, you found one switched pole, and the other two posts are the other switched pole. Verify by turning the switch off and watching the meter go to infinity (open).

Cheers,
Brad

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#3 posted 08-07-2012 01:31 AM

It sounds like a copy of the Grizzly H8241, check out the manual for the Grizzly switch (found here) and see if the switch specifications/terminals match. If so, do a quick verification with a meter using the info from MrUnix, wire it up, and enjoy your new shiny switch.

You can also check this thread: http://lumberjocks.com/topics/38694 for more info/troubleshooting tips on wiring the Grizzly switch.

Good luck & be safe. Electricity is lazy, it’ll take the shortest path to ground…even if that’s you.

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#4 posted 08-13-2012 06:10 PM

So I have not been able to find a way to use this switch. unfortunately i do not have or have access to a multi meter so I cannot even try to follow your instructions A10GAC.

I went to put the old switch back in and noticed that one of the contacts in the switch had broken off. Now I dont know what to do. My saw is dead and I have a switch that I cannot use. And to top it off I dont have much money to play with. Any suggestions on how to get my saw running again on the cheap? I was thinking maybe just using a wall mounted light switch until I can find a more permanent solution that fits my budget. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

-Jeremy

-- I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different. -Kurt Vonnegut

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#5 posted 08-13-2012 06:19 PM

If you only have 2 wires coming in to the switch box, you can’t really hurt anything. They are a hot and switch leg. Put them on the terminals on one side of the new switch. If that doesn’t work, move one so they are across the switch. One way or the other, the switch should turn the saw on.

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#6 posted 08-13-2012 06:21 PM

I tried that and the saw will run but only if i hold the on button down. If I put the wires on the other set of contacts nothing happens.

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#7 posted 08-13-2012 06:26 PM

sounds like you have a momentary contact switch that is intended to start a magnetic starter. You need maintain contacts to run the saw directly.

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#8 posted 08-13-2012 07:06 PM

Can you post a pic of the back of the switch?

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#9 posted 08-13-2012 07:23 PM

I just happened to think about the STOP side of that switch should be maintained. Try the other side. The saw may run unless you have the paddle pushed in. You may have to pull the STOP paddle out to start it. Be Careful, the saw may restart as soon as you let it out. Too bad the “specs” don’t really saying much of value. They really don’t say what the switch is. ;-(

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#10 posted 08-13-2012 07:31 PM

I think A10GAC has the right answer above—it is the same as the Grizzly switch that he linked the manual. That should answer the question about which side to wire it, a photo would help confirm.

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#11 posted 08-13-2012 07:37 PM

If it is the same as the Grizzly switch, the saw would stay on when it is started. Maybe the start button needs to be pushed more firmly to over come the mechanical interlock in the switch pushing the stop paddle out. Or, It is a momentary contact switch for starting a mag starter.

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#12 posted 08-13-2012 07:42 PM

I am not able to get a pic uploaded right now. Ill try later on tonight.

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#13 posted 08-13-2012 07:51 PM

I buy the same switch, it is made to work with a starter motor/magnetic switch.
What I have been doing is to use the machine original switch with just the paddle of the new switch.
I never took the time to do it but I believe that you could also use this switch with a simple relay.

-- Bert

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#14 posted 08-13-2012 10:01 PM

Bert, Do you know if the contacts are maintained or momentary? Does the off paddle pop out slightly when you push the start?

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#15 posted 08-13-2012 11:46 PM

ok here are some pics of the switches. The paddle switch does not stay on unless I hold down the on button.

http://s566.photobucket.com/albums/ss109/jlasersmith/delta%20table%20saw/

-- I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different. -Kurt Vonnegut

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