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Don W

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747 days ago

Topic tags/keywords: stanley vintage

This is a 5 1/4 Stanley I picked up at a flea market today. It doesn’t follow the typical Stanley typing. It has a pebbled cap. At first I thought it was just a 5 1/4 with a transitional cap, but the cap doesn’t look like the traditional transitional caps. It has Stanley in raised cast letters.

The additional odd thing about this plane is it only has Stanley stamped in the Sole. No patents, no Bailey, and no “made in america” anywhere. Next, it has a sweatheart blade, which I agree is another piece that could have been banditized. The frog has the twisted lateral adjuster, making me think its later. It does not have a frog adjustment screw, making me think its earlier, which everything after type 12 should have, and it does NOT have the raised ring around the front knob. Other than some mention of some prototypes, #5 1/4s were not in production until type 12.

Knob and tote seem to be hardwood, not rosewood.

Some Defiance planes had pebbled caps, but they didn’t have stanley raised, and they were shorter. Also the Defiance I have seen had the half folded laterial adjuster.

Any opinions on vintage would be appreciated.

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bandit571

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#1 posted 747 days ago

similar “Stanley” on ebay, only it is a #3 sized plane. Lever cap is broken of about where the stanley stamp was. Item#271026562943, seller is blueford59.

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Don W

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#2 posted 747 days ago

I’d say thats just a typical (probably type 11) no. 3 with a broken transitional cap. I can type that plane except for the cap, which makes it just a replacement.

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bandit571

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#3 posted 747 days ago

A Franken plane? Choose a type number, and rebuild back to it. Would it have LOW knobs?, Maybe some Rosewood handles? Maybe an “older’ iron to go with the low knob? A “real” #3 cap? Take it all the way back to the first lateral types?

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Don W

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#4 posted 747 days ago

Even in a Franken plane, the pieces can be identified. Tell me what the sole and frog goes to, and I’ll concede you’re right.

Edit…...and the cap!!!

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ShaneA

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#5 posted 747 days ago

Its got Franken qualities…the twisted lever cap, and the sweethart iron, unusual sole, crazy lever cap, non rosewood….its a hybrid of everthing 12-19….or more?

Probably not going to get to the bottom of this guy’s story.

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Dave

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#6 posted 747 days ago

Its a prototype that has slid into Dons hands. Don you might have “that” plane.

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#7 posted 747 days ago

Don, I have good news and bad.

The bad news is I can’t identify it either.

The good news is that it’s not a Frankenplane, because I have its twin brother. And I do mean twin…. right down to the blade!

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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CharlieM1958

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#8 posted 747 days ago

Here is a shot after cleanup.

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CharlieM1958

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#9 posted 747 days ago

Don, actually it’s a Four Square plane. Check out this description and photo I googled up:

Stanley household jack plane. This SW vintage 5 1/4 sized plane was manufactured from 1923-1930 as part of the cheaper Four-Square series. Marked Stanley on front and on lever cap. One of the very few Stanley planes that never had a number! I feel they are way under-valued, grab them whilst you can.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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Don W

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#10 posted 747 days ago

Charlie, you are the man!

I’m not sure why they didn’t use that cap on more planes. It’s just plain (or plane) cool!!

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CharlieM1958

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#11 posted 747 days ago

I agree!

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poopiekat

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#12 posted 747 days ago

Now I want one! All I have is a new-ish 5 1/4 made in Canada, with the most terribly rough-cast cap iron I’ve ever seen.

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Jamie Speirs

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#13 posted 747 days ago

That cap looks way nice

The temptation :)

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#14 posted 747 days ago

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#15 posted 747 days ago

Way to go Charlie, like Don needs more encouragement to buy planes ;)

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