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Forum topic by StumpyNubs posted 07-27-2012 01:31 PM 3142 views 0 times favorited 105 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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StumpyNubs

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07-27-2012 01:31 PM

I usually don’t get involved in the little spats that pop up on this site from time to time, but there has been a rash of threads lately ripping on the moderators for allowing too much politics and arguing. And since there’s nothing worse than a rash, I want to offer what I believe is some balance to the subject.

I like LumberJocks. I don’t like everything, I am not a fan of political threads, etc. But I think it’s the best woodworking forum on the internet, hands down. They have built a community and they give us a ton of freedom to do what we like within that community. I like having that freedom, even if it allows others to post argumentative topics or insult one another.

Other forums take the opposite approach. They moderate everything and it gets a little heavy handed. One needs only spend a little time at Sawmill Creek to know what I’m talking about. You can’t even post a tool review because they consider that an ad. If one of the countless moderators they have over there decides they don’t like you… well, it can get a little uncomfortable to say the least.

A while ago, as most of the long standing members recall, LumberJocks tried shutting down the off-topic forum (coffee shop). What happened? Everybody was up in arms about it. So they responded and restored the off-topic threads. Then everybody was up in arms about that. It’s a no win situation for them.

I respect those who want them banned. But we tried that and we had just as many threads plugging up the list demanding they be allowed to return and ripping on the “censorship” the site was engaging in.

I think the fact that they removed the titles from the off-topic posts is a clear sign that they are listening and responding to the feedback they get. On one hand they have people upset that they have to see so many off-topic threads, while on the other hand they have people upset if they can’t post those threads. Removing the titles was a good compromise. Now you have to actually click on the thread to even know what it’s about, and it is very easy to just skim past them on the list.

Yes, this is a woodworking forum, not a political one. But it can only exist if lots of people come and read the threads and click on an ad from time to time. Those political threads get a LOT of hits, so a lot of people are reading them. If I have to ignore them on the pulse page or forum list, I think it’s a small price to pay for the community we have.

Now I’m going to crack open a cold one, sit back, and read the topics I enjoy while you can read those you want. If you decide to argue about politics, it won’t ruin my day because I’ll be arguing about hand planes or wood finishes and won’t even notice!

-- It's the best woodworking show since the invention of wood... New episodes at: http://www.stumpynubs.com


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Bertha

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#1 posted 07-27-2012 01:33 PM

^good looking out, Stumps. al

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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hairy

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#2 posted 07-27-2012 01:35 PM

Kinda early for a cold one? Joking. Well said. They give us enough rope to hang ourselves with.

-- in the confusion, I mighta grabbed the gold ...

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StumpyNubs

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#3 posted 07-27-2012 01:38 PM

Michigan has it’s own time zone. It’s always five o’clock here.

Actually, “cold ones” can be aything cold. In my videos they are usually Vernors (a Michigan brand of pop). This morning it’s cold coffee because I never drink it fast enough…

-- It's the best woodworking show since the invention of wood... New episodes at: http://www.stumpynubs.com

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Bertha

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#4 posted 07-27-2012 01:40 PM

It’s Wild Turkey and ice here in WV.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#5 posted 07-27-2012 01:43 PM

thats it im movin to michigan … sign me up for a cold one stumpy. Good post.

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

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#6 posted 07-27-2012 01:47 PM

Thank you. I’ll raise a cold one in your honor. LJ is a lot like life this way – I choose to ignore some things because that is not how I want to spend my time and energy. I’ll instead focus on the things I am excited about – in this case fabulous wood stuff!

-- Kay - Just a girl who loves wood.

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Enoelf

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#7 posted 07-27-2012 01:49 PM

Well said Mr. Nubs!
Don’t you have a video to make?! :-)
Thanks for sharing!

-- Central Ohio, Still got 9 and 15/16 fingers!

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#8 posted 07-27-2012 01:49 PM

Well said Stumpy. If you don’t want to read the off topic, don’t. I occasionally look at them but don’t respond. I have enough friends on Facebook that rant and rave. I don’t think anyone listens.

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#9 posted 07-27-2012 01:53 PM

You’re probably preaching to the choir but then again all I really have to say is “Amen!”

Herb

-- Herb, Florida - Here's why I close most messages with "Be Careful!" http://lumberjocks.com/HerbC/blog/17090

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#10 posted 07-27-2012 01:56 PM

Besides, as soon as the elections are over with in November, things will cool down on the Off Topic forum…

-- Beer, Beer, Thank God for Beer. It's my way of keeping my mind fresh and clear...

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#11 posted 07-27-2012 01:56 PM

I should send you a can of Moxie, Maine’s state drink. It’s kind of like a cold can of coal oil. We love it. An acquired taste for sure. Our babies are weaned on it.

Oh, and well said.

-- The smell of wood, coffee in the cup, the wife let's me do my thing, the lake is peaceful.

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#12 posted 07-27-2012 02:02 PM

ive had Moxie and i must agree it is an aquired taste …. that is if you dont mind carbonated rubbing alcohol.

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

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#13 posted 07-27-2012 02:06 PM

Agreed. Although those type of topics don’t belong on a woodworking site (there are many other places on the web to discus politics and religion), I avoid the issue by simply not reading to much in the forums.

-- Visit my blog at dave.spalla.com

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StumpyNubs

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#14 posted 07-27-2012 02:15 PM

Sirfatty- While I agree that those topics don’t belong, I also understand that if the moderators were to begin deciding what “belonged” here and what didn’t we’d open the flood gates. Do threads about our personal lives belong? Are we allowed to mention a metal working tool in one of the “antique tool” threads? Is it ok to post threads about someone’s illness or a hoilday, etc?

I used to run a hardware store in a small town. Guys would come in and shoot the breeze about all sorts of non hardware related stuff while drinking my free coffee. I let them because it got them in the store, and it promoted a community atmosphere. That’s what LJ’s does, and I think it’s a good idea.

I’m not saying everything should be fair game. Things that are obscene or conduct that is offensive to society in general, like extreme personal attacks and those who seek only to cause division in the community, should not be allowed. But those cases are very few and are usually dealt with by the moderators already.

-- It's the best woodworking show since the invention of wood... New episodes at: http://www.stumpynubs.com

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#15 posted 07-27-2012 02:19 PM

^Stumps, they still do that exact same thing at Pile’s Hardware (below). It’s a glorious thing.
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-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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