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pdegreyt

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631 days ago

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I have a question for those of you in the US why does US oak not stain your hands? I used to work iwth oak in Belgium and every time I would have a case of the blue hands. I have worked with oak here in the US and no blue hands I was wondering why that was. just a small note I did work with hand tools back in Belgium


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Kookaburra

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#1 posted 631 days ago

I have never heard of blue oak hands! And I have worked with a lot of oak. Any chance they treated it with an insecticide or something in Belgium that is not used in the US?

-- Kay - Just a girl who loves wood.

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Steve Peterson

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#2 posted 631 days ago

I get black stained finger tips when I work with white oak. There are so many species of oak, but usually they get clasified as either red or white. Most oak sold in the US is probably red oak. Any chance you know what type of oak you had in Belgium?

-- Steve

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Tokolosi

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#3 posted 631 days ago

I work with oak quite a bit and also never experienced it. However, I did a quick Google search and found a few references to hands and fingers getting stained blue/grey/light purple from oak. The explanation seems to be that the oaks high tannin content reacts with oils and perspiration on your hands causing the staining which apparantly is really hard to remove. It also seems that the only time this happens is working with fresh oak. White Oak is reportedly a really bad one but aparantly fresh cherry, mesquite and walnut will do the same.

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bondogaposis

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#4 posted 631 days ago

There are hundreds of species of oak. No doubt you were working w/ a different specie in Belgium.

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SnowyRiver

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#5 posted 630 days ago

I heard once that the tannin in the wood, combined with the iron oxide that comes off metal tools, mixes with the perspiration on your hands and the three cause the staining. I am not a chemist so not sure if that makes sense, but thats what I’ve heard. I think it affects folks differently too…maybe depending on your body chemistry and how moist your hands are. I havent had this problem, but then I dont use a lot of hand tools either.

-- Wayne - Plymouth MN

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404 - Not Found

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#6 posted 630 days ago

American white oak has a lower tannin content than European oak. I go through a lot of American white oak here in Ireland, because it is more readily available than the native oak. Never had blue finger with the imported stuff.

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sawdustmaker101

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#7 posted 630 days ago

Was the Belgium oak green fresh cut? I worked in the saw mill / pallet business for several years, and when the oak was cut you’d get blue hands handling the stuff.If you fell an oak and left your metal felling wedge on the stump it would leave a blue mark. Its the tannin…

-- Bob, Michigan

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bhog

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#8 posted 630 days ago

I have experienced it ,more than a few times.I even had it on my recent project which is butternut.I have also had it with walnut.

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DS

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#9 posted 630 days ago

I’ve seen the gray-blue marks when clamping across glue-ups. The moisture in the glue combined with the iron of the clamp react with the tannin in the wood. (I’m careful to isolate the clamps from the boards these days.)

I’ve never had this on my hands, but, I could see how it could happen if the iron-oxide is somehow introduced into the equation. (Perhaps from handling metal tools, or, even having dust with high iron content on your hands)

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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pdegreyt

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#10 posted 630 days ago

French oak and the oak used in Belgium will stain, that why it is used in making wine because of the chemical released by the oak that will add to the flavor of the wine. the side effect at least in French oak is when working with the wood your hands mostly your finger will turn blue and yes it takes quite some time for it to wear off your fingers. It seems that the oak in US doesn’t have the quality of it’s French oak cousin. So this makes me wonder if US oak is suitable for making wine?
I was also taught back in school(in Belgium) that when building wood project that will be used with food or as hand tools you can only use birch(berk in Dutch) because it doesn’t bleed meaning release and chemicals that will react with any type of moisture, yet here I see people use all types of wood for tools and cutting boards. strange for me I would say

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pdegreyt

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#11 posted 630 days ago

was the oak fresh cut? that is a good question. I can’t remember, the wood was provided to us by the school. it came from the lumber yard, but that is all I can remember. It is intresting to learn about the other wood types out there that bleed as well. has any of you ever worked with madrone?

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EPJartisan

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#12 posted 625 days ago

Hi and for the opposite reason is why whiskey distilleries in Scotland use old white oak Bourbon casks from the US. Madrone is an amazing wood for carving, as tight grained as fruitwoods (reminds me of pear wood), but far more stable and it carves beautifully and occasionally can have some great figuring, but the color and texture is very uniform.

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Greg The Cajun Box Sculptor

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#13 posted 625 days ago

Ahhhh….Nothing like Belgium Blue!

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#14 posted 625 days ago

didn’t knew about belgian blue . First time i heard it :)

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#15 posted 625 days ago

I have gotten some gnarly oak in the wilds of northern Michigan that stained me blue/grey. It also smelled something AWFUL. But, I think this particular oak came from an unusual soil set for North America.

-- Lis - Michigan - http://www.missmooseart.com - https://www.etsy.com/people/lisbokt

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