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pintodeluxe

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635 days ago

Topic tags/keywords: dovetail dovetails dove tail porter cable porter cable rockler router jig 4210 4212 4216 half blind half-blind halfblind

I have long wanted to get deeper dovetails and a 14 degree angle with my PC 4210 jig. The bit that comes in the kit is 7 degrees, with a 3/8” depth of cut. The standard dovetails have such a shallow angle they almost look like box joints.
After consulting the manual, I learned that when cutting half blind dovetails there are several other bits that will work (Through dovetails are limited to 7 degrees with this jig).
I ordered a Rockler dovetail bit 5/8” wide, with a 5/8” depth of cut, and a 14 degree angle. I set the depth of cut slightly less than 5/8” (measured from the router bushing to the tip of the cutter) and it worked great.
The pictures show the 5/8” deep dovetails next to the 3/8” deep stock dovetails.
I prefer the deeper sockets because they feel stronger, and really look like dovetails.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush


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NiteWalker

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#1 posted 635 days ago

Thanks for the update. :)
The 14 degree dovetails indeed look better than the 7 degree ones. A good trick to add to the arsenal.

-- He who dies with the most tools... dies with the emptiest wallet.

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jdmaher

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#2 posted 634 days ago

I like the look.

Did you use the standard bushing?

3/4” Front and 1/2” sides?

-- Jim Maher, Illinois

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pintodeluxe

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#3 posted 634 days ago

Jim,
Yes I used the standard PC bushing. In this case I used 3/4” fronts and 1/2” sides, hovever other thicknesses will work too.
The PC advanced manual makes it seem like you need to use two bits and a two-pass method to achieve this look. I should mention that with this bit… it is a one bit, one-pass method.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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Bill White

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#4 posted 634 days ago

Now this is what Jocks is all about. Thanks for the tip.
Bill

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Bertha

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#5 posted 634 days ago

This is really good to know, as I put mine on the shelf for the reason you mentioned. Thanks!

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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jdmaher

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#6 posted 634 days ago

Thanks, Willie.

Better looking tails, and still a single pass, huh?

I’m gonna have to give these a try. The 1/2” shank version (Item # 91089) is only $17.99 at Rockler. Very cool!

-- Jim Maher, Illinois

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pintodeluxe

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#7 posted 460 days ago

I just completed 12 drawers using the 14 degree bit, and was really impressed with the results. I am using 3/4” oak for the fronts, and 3/4” poplar for the sides. I can’t believe how much stronger these joints feel with the bigger dovetails.

The setup is so easy on the Porter Cable 4210 / 4212 jig.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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RogerInColorado

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#8 posted 453 days ago

This is Super!

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#9 posted 404 days ago

Thanks for the information nice to know.So you can use the 7 or the 14 degree bits with the same template?
Paul

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#10 posted 404 days ago

Willie, these are very nice looking DTs. I can hardly wait to see the finished product.

-- Art

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pintodeluxe

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#11 posted 404 days ago

Paul,
You can use both 7 and 14 degree bits for the half blind template.
The through dovetail template is limited to a 7 degree bit.

Good luck!

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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