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Forum topic by Oliver posted 07-18-2008 07:25 AM 9474 views 0 times favorited 12 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Oliver

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07-18-2008 07:25 AM

Hello,

I’m wondering if anyone could give me an idea of how close I am to dialing in my old craftsman saw? I purchased it a few months ago and have added a Delta T2 Fence system and some other items.

Right now I have these specs:

Fence to Miter slot:

Fence looks like this → /

  • .002” Top
  • .005” Middle
  • .000” Bottom (closest to user)

I used a dial indicator, miter gauge to get the reading. Seems like the fence has a slight bow in it.

Blade runout at Gullets: .0035 wooble

New ridged blade from HD, had a gift card. I think its a thin kerf .110”. Set the dial indicator at the bottom of the gullets and carefully spun the blade. Left the belt on for the motor since that the way it will be used.

Blade to miter slot (Trunions adjustment): .010”

I used a combination square in the miter slot and picked a lucky tooth on the blade. When rotated I can fit a .010 feeler gauge in between the square and tooth.

Should I get it closer or leave it be?

Thanks for any help,
-Oliver

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marcb

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#1 posted 07-18-2008 07:58 AM

The T2 does seem to have a little bow from top to bottom. I can’t tell you how good my blade adjustment is, its just good enough ;) Though you have a little under 1/64 error and that can add up.

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Oliver

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#2 posted 07-18-2008 11:10 PM

Yea, I think I’m going to loosen all the trunion bolts and try again from scratch. I would like it to be within .005”.

Also, thinking about getting the Contractor pals from inline. Seems like they would allow me to dial in the adjustment and hold it while tightening down the bolts.

-Oliver

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marcb

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#3 posted 07-19-2008 01:10 AM

As long as you CAN correct it by hand then the PALS are nice if the saw gets banged around and needs realignment.

You just need to be sure before dumping the money that you run through all the steps this includes looking at the bars that connect the motor. The PALS allows you to fine tune the last .01” but it doesn’t get you close. If the bars are out of wack between the motor and the arbor this scews the blade.

I have a PDF I goto from Delta someplace for aligning the Tie-Bars to Parallel, I don’t know much about the 113 saws but I’m assuming they have two tie bars. Let me know if you want me to send it to you.

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Al Killian

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#4 posted 07-19-2008 02:18 AM

WOW, I can not imagine trying to get something that close only to have the wood move more then that. No offense meant, but you are not setting up a metal shop where it needs that tight of measurements.

-- Owner of custom millwork shop

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marcb

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#5 posted 07-19-2008 04:26 AM

Theres plenty of woodworkers out that that can hold pretty close to .01 through an entire project. The problem with having the saw in less than .01 condition is that errors compound. A small error on the jointer puts the board out of wack x the table saw adds y and pretty soon your 1/32 off which leaves an ugly gap that needs filling.

I’m not saying get so anal that you don’t have time to cut wood, but do take a day to get your tools into good alignment. A decent measuring setup and some steady hands will get it done in little time.

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Oliver

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#6 posted 07-19-2008 06:33 AM

Thanks for your comments guys, I’m going to try to redo the trunnion adjustment again and see if I can hit the .005” mark.

I do have some metal working classes, so maybe I am over killing the set-up.

Marcb, thanks for the tip, I’m going to give it one more shot and then start looking at those bars.

-Oliver

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marcb

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#7 posted 07-19-2008 06:48 PM

The main part of the bar check is to just take something flat and lay it across the 2 bars and see if it rocks. If it does loosen the lock nuts and wiggle the motor bracket to align everything, tighten, recheck, etc.

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#8 posted 07-22-2008 05:16 PM

Blade run out seems acceptable, or about the same as the 2 blades that I have on hand. Most will recommend getting the blade/miter slot under .005”. I would try getting the fence closer. Mine isn’t perfectly flat, but does go predominantly in one direction. I shoot for about .005” relief at the back end to avoid kickback.

On my saw I had to pry and clamp the trunion to get the blade aligned, so in other words don’t be afraid to muscle it into position. On old saws this may be more normal than you might think.

-- Doug, woodworking in Alabama

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marcb

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#9 posted 09-12-2008 01:07 AM

I had to realign my saw last night, not sure what happened but that explains the burn issues I’ve been having the last couple weeks. Checked it and had daylight on the back end of the saw.

I did manage to get it to about .005 then had to redo the fence. Now I have to cut new inserts.

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Misterfixit

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#10 posted 12-09-2008 03:28 AM

Hey guys, I just came across this forum when searching (so far in vain) for info on my Craftsman table saw. It came to me in several pieces from an estate sale, left over and I received it as a gift. It is a model 113-27520-10. I’ve not been able to find a manual as yet and the Sears site has only a very muddy diagram. I have managed to get the rust off of the table and clean and lube the motor. Now the trick is putting it back in operating condition. I would like to post some pictures of the project if that’s OK. I’d appreciate help finding a manual or at least a legible copy of one. I’m not a collector, I’m retired US Army and build stuff for family and friends.

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brianinpa

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#11 posted 12-09-2008 03:52 AM

Follow the bouncing ball… or this link.

-- Brian, Lebanon PA, If you aren’t having fun doing it, find something else to do.

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Misterfixit

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#12 posted 12-09-2008 05:06 AM

Wow! What a fast response! I made a donation at that web site, too. Thank you very much for the help! I am going to take some pictures tomorrow after I turn on the heat in the shop. Cheers! Dave

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