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07-10-2012 11:01 PM

Creationism is stupid. Intelligent design is an imprudently oxymoronic term. While belief in a divine creator is, in my opinion, misguided at best, it is not necessarily stupid; many intelligent people believe in some kind of God. God should be a matter of opinion, but sadly it is an instrument of institution and oppression. I can allow for this latitude concerning divinity as, speaking scientifically, there is a possibility, an exceptionally remote possibility, that God is real. On the other hand, speaking philosophically, I can happily and unequivocally announce that there is no God. This is a debate that will never be resolved. Creationism, and its misshapen child, Intelligent Design, however, is indisputably without any intellectual or scientific merit. While those who believe in it may have been led astray or not truly understand the nature of the argument, those who advocate Creationism/ID are committing acts of a most profound and disturbing level of intellectual deceit and moral repugnance. Creationism is quite literally a preposterous proposition; it stupefies me that people believe in it.

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#1 posted 07-10-2012 11:43 PM

FAITH exists only when there is no evidence.

-- " 'woodworker'.....it's a good word, an honest word." - Sam Maloof

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#2 posted 07-10-2012 11:59 PM

I think he’s just hoping to stir up a hornet’s nest, rather than looking for honest responses from people.

-- "hold fast to that which is good"

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#3 posted 07-11-2012 12:02 AM

Amazing

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#4 posted 07-11-2012 12:25 AM

Brandon, do you accuse me because you disagree? I look for intelligent responses beyond just the word “faith”. Waho6o9, I agree that it is amazing that anyone can believe in such hogwash. Science has advanced us beyond such simple thinking. Katdaddy what proof do we have of creationism other than faith?

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#5 posted 07-11-2012 12:27 AM


-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

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#6 posted 07-11-2012 12:29 AM

For the simple minded…

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#7 posted 07-11-2012 12:41 AM

Katdaddy, why does my keffiyeh so bother you? What does it have to do with creationism?

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#8 posted 07-11-2012 12:48 AM

Katdaddy, what are your thoughts on creationism and intelligent design? I would like to know.

-- My bad, 2015 is the correct year...

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#9 posted 07-11-2012 12:49 AM

What does this have to do with woodworking? I understand the idea of the off topic forum, but this is ssoooo off topic, and I have yet to see much woodworking content. I understand an occasional post that is off topic, but DKV, you live there…Seems to me you are just getting people riled up. I would suggest you find a blog with followers more interested in your rants…By the way, I agree with you, but I’m smart enough to realize that lumberjocks really isn’t the place for that kind of discussion…

-- When you earnestly believe you can compensate for a lack of skill by doubling your efforts, there is no end to what you CAN'T do

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#10 posted 07-11-2012 01:02 AM

I agree with Dwain. I don’t see this topic being productive or worthwhile in the least, no matter one’s take on the subject.

Let’s see some more of your woodworking projects, DKV. That’s what most of us come here for.

-- "hold fast to that which is good"

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#11 posted 07-11-2012 01:10 AM

faith is belief without proof. This can also be called “delusion”. Please seek mental help if you have faith

“There exists in society a very special class of persons that I have always referred to as the Believers. These are folks that have chosen to accept a certain religion, philosophy, theory, idea or notion and cling to that belief regardless of any evidence that might, for anyone else, bring it into doubt. They are the ones who encourage and support the fanatics and frauds of any given age. No amount of evidence, no matter how strong, will bring them any enlightenment. They are the sheep that beg to be fleeced and butchered, and who will battle fiercely to preserve their right to be victimized.”—James Randi

-- To realize our true destiny, we must be guided not by a myth from our past, but by a vision of our future

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#12 posted 07-11-2012 01:58 AM

Dwain and Brandon, do I have to remind you that this is the nonshop section? Why does it bother you two so much that I use the nonshop section for nonwoodworking topics? If you have a creationism/ID opinion please let me hear it. Otherwise, restrict your time to the woodworking sections since it seems this section bothers you so much.
MontanaBob, thank you for your opinion. I would like to hear some opinions in support of ID with the word faith not included. Per your post that does not seem possible.

-- My bad, 2015 is the correct year...

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#13 posted 07-11-2012 02:57 AM

If it all started from a big bang, then where did id come in to the picture….at that instant, or never take your pick….

-- To realize our true destiny, we must be guided not by a myth from our past, but by a vision of our future

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#14 posted 07-11-2012 03:02 AM

The big bang was a result of a god’s finger snap…to the best of my knowledge.

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#15 posted 07-11-2012 03:10 AM

okay

-- To realize our true destiny, we must be guided not by a myth from our past, but by a vision of our future

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