I love it! Those who are fanatic about their causes - or - against others, are the same people who believe in the right to free speach, same as me. I would NEVER block anybody just because he / she / they / them do not agree with what I am disagreeing about. It takes a certain kind of individual who hides their head in the sand to not allow someone to disagree with someone else who disagrees with them. You want to disagree with me - I could care less. You want to dislike me for what I say - I could care less. You want to beat someone down because you do not like the words of free speach that the person is expressing - get ready - I will come to their defense. Even those who block me for exercising that freedom, no matter who they are.
nobody like name callers or potty mouth drunks …. not all LJ members are made the same
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early on LJ's there was some hillbilly from up north (very north) who was sending creepy pm's with links to what I would call child porn and the like. Not sure of his agenda. He thought it was funny.
I will block anyone that makes a personal attack on any jock or myself.
We only know each other, for the most part, by the content we put on this site and never really know them more than that.
I know one person on this site that has put forth two, and possibly more persona, on this and other sites. So know one can really know him and that is his intent. I think he is a lawyer by the way he writes.
Rosebudjim
You may never block anyone that's you right, and it's mine to block anyone and everyone I want. I would be blocking the person not the government so freedom of speech is not an issue.
I got blocked just for asking a simple question. LJ "rance" posted a project that was a cross. I complimented him on it but asked a thought provoking question….if Jesus lived in modern times, would he make a wooden electric chair or lethal injection needle? He didn't want his un-christ-like repsonse seen by everyone, so he responded on my home page and made some rude and false comments. He apparently missed church the day they talked about bearing false witness or loving your enemies. He made his rant and blocked me like a coward. I blocked in return just because I didn't want to hear any more of his erroneous crap. Hypocritical? Perhaps.
What is interesting is that I never insulted him or said anything rude. He did, however.
To me, he portrayed what is wrong with representatives of Christianity today…IMO. No harm meant.
So hey, you want to come to my defense, get hold of him and let him know what a ( ) he is acting like. Have him read your post here. I agree with it. I have no problem with people challenging others.
I am new to LJ's so you are my first buddy. There "rance" I have a buddy, happy?
Thanks for posting!
P.S. Someone might want to remind this guy that as a new member, I cannot immediately post a project. I have to wait for approval of other posts
They have the right to free speech but to what extent? You're saying there are No Limits?
If I put up a Post and some POOP Disturber comes on there with no other intent than to turn it into a PS Match by Criticizing or Demeaning Myself or one of the Posters on there. (As oldnovice has said) Why would I NOT BLOCK HIM? Turn the other cheek and wait for him to do it again? Put up with HIS abuse of "Freedom Of Speech?" NOT VERY LIKELY!!
If You want to come to his defence? Be my Guest! That's YOUR Choice. This is still a Family Oriented Woodworking Site. Non-Shop Talk or No Non-Shop Talk.
One of the Dual Posters on here sent me a PM 2 days ago. 4 Short and NOT Sweet words. I Replied NICELY saying I thought he had me confused with someone else and would he PLEASE identify the Post and wherever it was that the "Incident" occured. His Reply via another PM? Totally ignored my Request and 2 Short and NOT Sweet words.
So I sent him one back asking who He thought he was etc etc etc ALL within reason. Then I blocked him. I will NOT put up with that kind of BS from Anyone!
I guess you'd call that "Freedom Of Speech" all 6 Words of it.
Are "Pictures" also considered "Freedom Of Speech"? The same Guy also Posted an Entire Page of TOTALLY GROSS Female Picures and I'm not talking Nude or Revealing Pictures. I'm not a Prude by any means but they were WAY OVER THE TOP!!
There is NO PLACE for that on here! I sent a PM to get them Removed but someone beat me to it. The Entire Page was removed.
You watch what happens now. He'll probably respond to this with more of His Bull Droppings.
A very Noble Post "rosebud". Do I believe in Free Speech? YES! But there are Limits. One of those is "Respect For Others."
@woodnutbutter
I think your post here is somewhat misleading.
As far as I can tell, you've targeted projects depicting crosses, and added your "....if Jesus lived in modern times…" challenge to them.
It's an interesting point, and, arguably, worthy of discussion, but I really don't think the project page is the appropriate place to try to stir that up - it looks like someone going out to try and cause trouble in the wrong place.
As for rance's reply, which he correctly (imo) made on your home page since it did not belong on the project page, I see neither rudeness nor falsehood.
@KnickKnack….I hope you are not a lawyer, you don't pay attention or read well. Do I really have to go through and show you where rance was in error and rude. Really? Wow. How sad.
As you stated, you are expressing an opinion "(imo)".... which you're giving for what benefit? So you think he was neither rude or in error. Well golly gee willikers Beave!
I was not trying to cause trouble or actually caused trouble. If my thought provoking question is not appropriate on the project page, then posting a cross is not appropriate on the project page.
To me, and others, a cross is controversial. If you post a cross, expect to be challenged on it.
As my Grandmother used to - Land O' Goshen ! What a firestorm I've created. Ok, ok, ok. I get the message.
I agree with blocking obscene language, like f*, or all the rest of the words you can't say on TV. Porn on LJ is a BIG no-no. For all those idiots who like to express their illiterate gutter language here is not acceptable, and I believe about 98% of LJs agree. Of course the other 2% think the english language starts with those words that civilized humans only use in non-mixed company, as an example of a LJ last week (name not mentioned). And, I am not saying there no limits. There has to be some kind of limit, and respect, I agree. I was just saying I would not block because someone used their "potty mouth" to berate me. If they want to be an idiot, and show how uncouth they are, so be it. I will either answer them in kind, or ignore them. BUT, I will not use unacceptable language to do it. I look forward to the Forum every day, just to see what LJs have on their minds. Sometimes I'll respond, and sometimes I will not - depends
I don't think "foul" language is an issue.
For instance if I say, "It's hotter than hell today", no big deal. If I say, "Go to hell", that is different.
If I hurt myself and say, "Damn" no biggie. I say, "Damn you!" that is different.
Cuss words and such are just exclamations. It's amazing how people put mystical, magical meanings to words that are not there. I have no problem with the "F" word or any word. We live in one of the only cultures on earth that have a problem with this. Go to Scotland or Ireland. They use the "F" word about everyother word, no one makes a big deal about it. The only reason we do is because someone along the way said those words were bad, but who are they to say that? "Hey, that's a bad word!" Really, says who?
Most intelligent, intellectuals have foul mouths. As long as words are not used to directly insult or hurt someone, I say cuss away!
In my travels, I do not normally use the "F" word. By normally, I mean I do not use it as word to be spoken every two words, like some I know. It's just not readily available in my vocabulary. If someone else wants to use it, I could care less. Maybe it's an accepted norm in todays society? Why? Does anybody really know what the four letters equate to? For those who use it to start every sentence, I believe not.
YOU DO WANT TO MAKE ISSUE OF WHAT PEOPLE SAY, blocking them or not! The edit button is there. My using it did not change my message or integrity. I thought it over and thought maybe dildo might have been a little too much. I was big enough to remove it; a thoughtful move. You don't like potty mouthing, so when it is corrected you condemn me for making that choice? Damned if you do, damned if you don't here is it?
Again, before corrections or after, the message was the same; being falsely accused by someone who clearly was not looking at the facts.
BUSTED.
You take a hike, and well sorry…your mammas not calling. Sad.
Someone mark this day down in lumberjocks history, despite so many of my posts I finally found someone so sensitive they actually felt the need to block me. I think I'm gonna go make a cross and knock back a couple rum and cokes to celebrate, in that actual order. Time to go find out if I actually have any coke.
Not much coke, lots of rum; its a good evening indeed. Made a bird feeder for a shut-in at the nursing home, hers looked destroyed the last time I was there. Nice solid oak, cross on the side like I had been thinking about. Looks good, I'll post the finished project tomorrow. Tonight, more kraken, the stuff really is the best and smooth.
Do I really have to go through and show you where rance was in error and rude.
Yep, I guess you do. Point by point, if you please.
I pointed out that KnickKnack didn't actually read or put any thought into what was written.
You're entitled to your opinion, but, in this case, you're wrong.
Had the thought not gone into it, I might have said something like - "this person is an obvious troll deliberately looking to create trouble by posting his own personal and divisive opinions in places where anyone with half a brain know they don't belong". I prefer my previous version, but I'm happy to go with the "half a brain" version in future, if you prefer.
I then defended myself against his opinions and false accusations.
One doesn't defend oneself against "opinions".
Pray, where were the "false accusations"? Point by point, if you please.
Lest you not have read the posting guidelines, I think the relevant bit is this…
In order to keep the Projects, Blogs and Forums as "woodworking-related only" as well as to provide a place for members to socialize about things other than woodworking, we have introduced a "Non-shop Talk" section…
Comments such as "One has to wonder if Jesus had been sacrificed in modern times, would people be sporting a symbol of an electric chair?", and "I believe that Jesus would be insulted by this reckless promotion of this symbol of death." whilst arguably interesting, are simply not woodworking related and don't belong on a project page.
The way I see it Woodnutbutter is all about drama and sometimes you just had to defuse it with settledness, if I were asked that question in regards to the crosses that I make via bandsaw boxes I'd just simple reply with I don't know but I do see them everyday when I go to church please tell me what that has to do with wood working? I don't do drama, I retired from that crap pardon the expression but that's what it is.
I'd like to ask Woodnutbutter what kind of reaction was he/she expecting in asking a question like?
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