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Nicky

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07-07-2012 10:26 PM

Found this on Craigslist http://santafe.craigslist.org/tls/3107707114.html

Going Sunday to see. The arm is unique, anyone have this model, your thoughts much appreciated

-- Nicky


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#1 posted 07-07-2012 10:49 PM

I don’t own it, but I own some old Rockwell stuff. That’s my disclaimer:) I would absolutely be interested in this very cool RAS. I’m not sure if I understand why you consider the arm unique (?). Some would argue that the price it a tad on the high side. I’d rather have it than my Craftsman. I think the Dewalt is the only one I’d rather have than this rockwell. I hope you get it!!!

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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Nicky

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#2 posted 07-07-2012 10:59 PM

Apparently I’ve been the only caller. This is unique to me, I’ve not seen this type of arm.

What would a reasonable price be? Saw is mid 70s

Seller asking $375.

I dumped my craftsman pos 10yrs ago, but miss having a RAS

-- Nicky

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#3 posted 07-07-2012 11:05 PM

I’m with you, Nicky, I really like the RAS. Jeez, I’m probably the wrong one to ask about the price, but I know I’ve seen the crown jewel DeWalt in great shape for less than this. I paid more than this for a stupid Craftsman, so I’m not exactly a good haggler. I think if this thread stays up long enough, you’ll get a ton of advice. I was thinking more like $250, so we’ll see what people think. Heck, it could be a really sought after machine, commanding top dollar, I just really don’t know. It’s a very attractive machine to me. I’d want it!

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#4 posted 07-07-2012 11:11 PM

Nice RAS but nothing special about it other than the price being too high. Here is another photo (taken from vintagemachinery.com) that shows the arm configuration:

And they do clean up pretty nice:

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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#5 posted 07-07-2012 11:23 PM

We have a 12” dreamt RAS and a 10” dewalt RAS and we love them. But in our area most RAS is listing for 200.00 or less. I just don’t think the resale value is strong with RAS but they can be valuable to a shop. But based on prices I see locally on CL I would caution against going higher then 200.00.

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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Nicky

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#6 posted 07-07-2012 11:26 PM

We shall see. Thank you both for your thoughts.

$250 Sounds like a good starting point. I’m not at the point where I “just have to have it.” CL, like ebay are not what they use to be.

-- Nicky

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Nicky

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#7 posted 07-07-2012 11:30 PM

Jerry I see the Craftsman RAS a lot for under $200. I am a Delta/Rockwell fan and these have been far and few in my area. I looked at a 14” Rockwell a few months back, guy asking $700, and was not willing to budge on the price.

-- Nicky

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#8 posted 07-08-2012 12:58 AM

I do think the larger RAS such as 14” and 16” demand a larger price. I also think I benefit with lower then average CL prices here in San Antonio. I do see many dewalt and delta Rockwell RAS for sale weekly in our area. I paid 200.00 for our 12” drewalt that is 3hp and I paid 80.00 for our 10” drewalt RAS. They both get used daily in our shop. I have a very low opinion of craftsman so you probably don’t want to know what I think about craftsman RAS. I would charge the craftsman owner 250.00 just to haul off their RAS.

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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#9 posted 07-08-2012 02:00 AM

I own one or three old DeWalt RASs. All cast iron beauties. I love them. They are my pet tools. The pivot arm is standard design on Delta-Rockwell RASs. Has been for just about ever. Looks clean, well cared for. Problem is that when someone buys a RAS new or near new, they expect near new resale. Sometimes the seller sets his jaw, and it becomes a matter of pride. Good resale on RASs has not been my experience lately, in today’s market, especially with RASs, any age or brand. I’m humored by some of the outrageous pricing on CLs, and Rocklers and Woodcraft for that matter. Most folks nowadays would rather spend the hard earned for a good slider, Makita, Bosch, Dewalt, or for deeper pockets, Festool. If I had not become addicted to my old DeWalts, I would own the best slider money can buy, or at least the Makita. Yeah, the Makita. Just my take.

PS, the motor is just 1hp. At 2 or 2.5hp maybe $250 to $300 would be high but doable. At 1hp, under $200 easy, and probably between $150 to $200. Otherwise someone is buying it at his price, not theirs.

-- God is great, wood is good. Let us thank Him for wood......and old hand tools.

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rance

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#10 posted 07-08-2012 02:14 AM

Yeah, 200 or less.

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Nicky

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#11 posted 07-08-2012 02:32 AM

Wow David! This is why I come here. I did not know the motor was 1 hp. I would use the RAS primarily for tenon work, and most likely have a dado head installed most of the time. I dumped my old RAS and replaced with a Dewalt slider (and love it.) I’m sure the motor could handle what I’m doing, but this is a point well taken.

Jerry, the 14” saw I looked at was a beast. It would have looked impressive in my shop, but not for asking price. I hope that he sold the machine to someone doing production work. I’m just a weekend warrior.

-- Nicky

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MonteCristo

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#12 posted 07-08-2012 02:51 AM

Nicky:

I would not recommend using a RAS for tenon work. These saws are legendary for their inability to stay in adjustment. And tenon work would further require a good fence and really flat table. The RAS excels at chopping up rough lumber to rough size. IMO nothing else compares among small shop tools. I have a 10” (Craftsman) and 16” (Delta). Like the one you are considering, my 10” can run on 200V which is an indicator that it has a decent motor. These motors are direct drive so there is some risk of motor damage if it has been stalled a lot.

Whatever you end up doing, don’t use a RAS for ripping. These saws are really dangerous when configured that way. They are also far less convenient for mitering compared to a compound miter saw.

BTW the arm is not unique, but it is an indication that it is a better than average saw. The better RAS generally have the subarm as it is called.

-- Dwight - "Free legal advice available - contact Dewey, Cheetam & Howe""

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ArtB

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#13 posted 07-08-2012 06:44 PM

Own one 20 years pass. Lost half finger, and cut up 2more pretty bad. For my dime forget it, you can do the same with a tablesaw and chopbox. Just be careful when cross cutting, the saw blade can take off on you.

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Nicky

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#14 posted 07-09-2012 02:46 AM

After looking at the saw and talking with owner I decided not to buy. It brought back the memories of the craftsman pos, and why I dumped it in the first place.

Thanks for all of your input.

-- Nicky

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#15 posted 07-31-2012 02:33 AM

Update….

owner call and was willing to let it go for $200. I don’t know why but I said $150 (too much pawn stars) and he said deal, come get it.

ARTB, my heart goes out to you. I had 2 close calls myself. My old RAS was truly a POS, and I was constantly adjusting it. Both of my near misses are attributed to my lack of attention to what I was doing, and in a hurry to get it done; a very bad combination. I won’t make these mistakes again.

Now its sitting in my shop. I will make a new table and go through the adjustments and see how it goes.

-- Nicky

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