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Jasoninsacramento

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07-06-2012 11:29 PM

Topic tags/keywords: table saw grizzly grizzly 1023rl incra used table saw used tablesaw router question

HELP! I’m thinking about buying a used table saw and I want to make the right decision!

I’m so excited to finally step up from my craftsman (I heard that groan) table saw to a cabinet saw. I feel like I’m ready for a table saw that’s more solid and can handle more than what I have now iwth much more precision. I have been scouring CL for a used saw in my area (Northern California). Before I go look at it, I want to ask, if given the information that I’m providing, below, folks think it’s a good deal. For the amount of $ he wants, I could get a brand new saw, but all of the extras are making me think it’s a good deal.

Here’s what I think I need based on my skill level – I’m a fairly beginning woodworker, but I do lots of projects to restore my 1920s craftsman bungalow including lots of detailed trim work and stuff like making my own outdoor corbels on the roof. I’ve also made a few cutting boards and I love making new stuff!

My shop is in my basement, and I have the craftsman contractor table saw (even though it says “professional”) with an aluminum top, craftsman router table (once again, aluminum top), rigid planer, old craftsman jointer (a keeper, but needs some TLC), and a few other random tools.

Here’s what he’s advertised:

Grizzly 10” Model G1023RL – 3hp, left hand tilting table saw
mobile machine base, several blades, zero clearance inserts, two miter gauges
Incra TS-LS fence – on lead screw, adjustment to .001”
Incra Miter 1000 – miter gauge – with some accessories
Incra – older version of Mast-R-Lift, height adjustment to .001”
Bosch router
Incra router table
Incra router Wonder Fence, with some accessories
Jet dust collector, with can style filter, some plumbing
All tools in excellent condition
Great home system

Here’s the CL ad: Grizzly

In an email, he indicated that the table saw is 7 or 8 years old, he has used it lightly for some smaller projects around the house over the years and it’s pretty much sat idle a lot of the time. He has taken care of the top so there’s no rust. Finally – when i asked about the motor bearings he indicated that the motor sounds good.

He’s asking $1,500. I let him know that was a bit out of my budget, so he offered to sell the dust collection unit separately and give me the rest of the stuff for $1,200. I would love a dust collection unit, but I think I’d rather buy it in a few months when i can save up some more $. I do already have my own very nice Porter Cable Router, so the router would be icing – except for the fact that i have a really crappy (craftsman) router table now and it would be GREAT to have the incra table.

So what do folks think? I have yet to go and see it, listen to the motor and inspect things more closely. If it is in as good of shape as he is saying it is, am I foolish to pass this up? After having I’m very interested in the incra setup. In terms on $, I really only wanted to spend 800-900. But if this is a steal, I’ll find a way to make it work.

Thanks, in advance, for your opinions!!!


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Mainiac Matt

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#1 posted 07-06-2012 11:42 PM

The saw is over $1,300 new (with short fence) and you’ve listed easily that much again in accessories….

I’d wave $14 C bills in his face and count it a huge score

-- Pine is fine, but Oak's no joke!

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#2 posted 07-07-2012 01:26 AM

Given all the extras it is a very good deal, I wouldn’t say steal but very good, actually a better deal w/o the dust collector but you are going to need one anyway…

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#3 posted 07-07-2012 04:26 AM

I’d go for it and I agree that cash is king. Let us know how you make out.

-- Art

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#4 posted 07-07-2012 08:51 AM

It’s not a G1023”RL”....likely a G1023SL or similar from that series…different saws really. The signficance of that is that there’s no riving knife on the G1023SL, SLZ, SLW, SLX, etc. The Incra fence looks excellent, but you can buy a new G1023RL for $1294 to your door with warranty, riving knife, a good stock fence, and updated drive system. You get to choose what’s most important to you, but can at least decide knowing the difference.



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#5 posted 07-07-2012 12:23 PM

For comparison purposes i bought and older (97?) G1023 (not l, xl, just straight up 1023), right tilt, for $550 here in connecticut. I havent powered i up yet so i cant give an honest review. Id assume that prices are probably pretty close here in expensive ass connecticut as on the left coast cali.

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

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knotscott

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#6 posted 07-08-2012 12:26 AM

Jason – You asked for ”HELP” in bold capital letters and got it…. R U participating in your thread?

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Jasoninsacramento

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#7 posted 07-08-2012 05:32 PM

Hi everyone! Yes, I am participating. First, thanks for all of the advice. Second, I bought it! It is a 1023sl, not the rl as advertised, but after a moment of being pissed that I was researching price and quality on the wrong machine, knotscott, you were right. So I went to see it while I was in San Francisco for other purposes yesterday very ready to offer him less $ because of that issue. The saw is in pristine condition. The guy kept this thing very very well maintained and I could tell that it hadn’t seen more than a few projects. I tested it, passed the nickel test, I couldn’t see or hear any bearing issues with the motor, and he even kept the cast iron top coated and covered. this thing looked like it had just been shipper and assembled.

So my decision was this – I know that I could have got the newer model for a similar price, but I felt like I was buying a whole woods hop at once. He essentially is getting rid of the table saw and everything associated with it. He had a box there when I arrived that had the Incra wonder fence, five recently sharpened blades, push sticks, metal railings for a sled, and a few boxes of very nice router bits (barely used, some never used, and in my head worth at least $350).

He wouldn’t budge on the price when I offered him 1350 via email, so I didn’t want to haggle with him after he already said no. – I’m not a great haggler! So I paid 1200 and skipped on the dust collector for now. He’s going t try and sell that seperately for 300, but I suspect he’s not going to try very hard and I may be able to go back next month or the month after and grab it from him. That’s a good question for y’all – it’s a jet dc1100c. Once again, in beautiful condition. Anyone want ti give their opinion on Whether that piece of equipment is worth that cost? It comes with a lot of flex tubing.

Anyway, I’m very very appreciative that y’all were so quick to help and respond. I wanted to move quickly and I wouldn’t have pulled the trigger without you. Now for the hard work – transportation, running a 220 line into my basement, and setting the thing up!

Cheers,

Jason

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knotscott

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#8 posted 07-08-2012 05:41 PM

Congrats Jason. That saw was a really slick setup, and should make a great saw for you. Did he happen to still have the stock fence in addition to the Incra? Alignment should be easy with those table mounted trunnions….may not even need it. Moving a 500# saw around is another matter! Put a good blade on it and enjoy!

It’d be great to see an updated pic of it sitting in your shop….

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Jasoninsacramento

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#9 posted 07-09-2012 04:45 AM

Thanks, Scott. Apparently he gave away the original fence a while ago. I’m very excited about the setup!

I m SURE I’ll be asking for more help and reading all about alligning everything. Could you pnt me to a few good resources? I’m assuming perhaps video links here?

I’ll send a picture, b it it may not be for a few weeks. I’ve also got to run the 220 to my basement, now! ;-)

Thanks again!

Jason

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Jasoninsacramento

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#10 posted 07-17-2012 06:42 PM

Well, I finally brought the saw home on Sunday. I had to take the table-top off and realign it when I put it back on. It’s so beautiful! I’ll post pictures tomorrow. Now I’ve just got to figure out how to reattach the Incra router-table/fence combo. Gonna take a few hours – and unfortunately while I’ve been able to download the manual from Incra, they don’t post their DVD materials and video instructions. Can’t find that anywhere on the web. Fun times!

Jason

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Finisher

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#11 posted 07-20-2012 12:25 AM

I hate to be a kill joy, but the best thing about that purchase are the added perks. I own several machines from Grizzly and have been relatively happy with them. but the 1029 I would never bother spending even a peney on. The ones that I have seen were sub-par. A neighbor of mine bought one a few years back and knowing I was a woodworker asked if I would help him get it tuned up. In short, it was a nightmare. Now I’m sure there are plenty of 1029 owners out there who would dissagree with me and I don’t want to get their dandruf up. But before I would pay good money for that saw I would check for run out. We couldn’t get the blade to run parallel with the miter gage slots so check that. Run the saw to check for excessive vibration. A lot of used car salesmen put new tires on old cars because you can’t feel the alignment issues when test driving it. Ya know what I mean?

-- James, Michigan http://www.northcapecabinetsandmillwork.com

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#12 posted 07-20-2012 01:55 AM

The 1023sl back a couple years ago was around $700 plus s/h direct from grizzly. It was a few months after I bought it for $1100 because they were going with the RL which has the riving knife. My 1023 was extremely easy to setup with a runout of 0.002 – 0.003. It did take about 20 minutes to get those numbers.

All in all the 1023sl has been very dependable for me, can’t say anything for others though.

Anyway, congratz on the purchase and make sure you get everything tuned accordingly. It will make life much easier for you when doing projects :)

-- Williamsburg, KY

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#13 posted 07-20-2012 02:36 PM

finisher…....good job of closing the barn door once the horse is gone!

-- there's a solution to every problem.......you just have to be willing to find it.

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#14 posted 07-20-2012 08:03 PM

I wouldn’t worry too much about the G1029 DC….it’s a pretty well proven workhorse. Obviously not perfect, but I suspect the vast majority work as promised. I’ve got one, and have 4 wwing buddies who’ve all had them in the range of 10-15 years without a glitch between them. I’m sure we’d have read about it if problems with them were common.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Jasoninsacramento

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#15 posted 07-27-2012 12:06 AM

Well, I’m not worried at all – thanks for your input, Finisher. Even if I was, there’s nothing I can do about it now. :)

I’ve spent the last couple of weekends tinkering, but honestly haven’t had the time to do a whole lot of setup. Everyone should know that the customer service from Incra is freakin’ out of this world. Mark has been emailing with me back and forth answering questions that mostly stem from the fact that I don’t have the original parts in bags and key components like the cardboard spacers to help align the fence with the tabletop. Mark is even mailing me out a set of instructions along with the scales that read to higher numbers with the kind of setup I want. Amazing.

Thanks again, everyone!

Jason

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