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06-30-2012 03:55 PM

Google Nexus Q

Designed and made in the USA, this media player costs significantly more than competitors made in China.

If electronics can come back to US manufactures this could be huge, I give props to Google for trying.


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#1 posted 06-30-2012 07:39 PM

Interesting! Thanks, Pat. We’ll see what becomes of it.

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#2 posted 07-01-2012 03:16 AM

Apparently, Google is planning on assembling their media player here in Silicon Valley, but the parts will be manufactured elsewhere. I also heard that the assembly process will be highly automated so it isn’t like there will be a large uptick in the emplyment picture.

High labor and environmental regulation costs are what drove much of the manufacturing away.

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#3 posted 07-01-2012 03:28 AM

The asinine tax laws of the US didn’t help either.

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#4 posted 07-01-2012 10:21 AM

Well. Google only made 39 BILLION Dollars last year. 95 or 98% of it on “Click Throughs”.

I guess they’re trying to figure out how to get out of “The Poor House”.

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#5 posted 07-01-2012 03:07 PM

Of course the assembly process will be highly automated, humans can’t reliably do the type of soldering required of small double sided surfaced mount circiut boards. That doesn’t matter, the jobs this creates will be fairly good jobs, not to mention for every 1 manufacturing job created 5-10 service sector jobs are created as a result.

This is a precipice of electronics manufacturing in the US, if it succedes then more may follow. If it fails and proves that Americans will not pay more for goods manufactured in the US that can easily (cheaply) be shipped from over seas, it could be the last time anyone tries.

Of course the parts are going to come from elsewhere we are talking resistors, capacitors etc that are 10 for a penny. These components are low cost “dirty” manufacturing, by that I mean manufacturing that uses chemicals and produces waste that costs alot more to deal with in the US than in other parts of the world. The assembly and deiign jobs are fairly clean and is exactly the type of manufacturing that needs to be done here./

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#6 posted 07-02-2012 02:57 AM

”.....for every 1 manufacturing job created 5-10 service sector jobs are created as a result.”

When I hear those kind of claims, I have to wonder why we don’t put at least 20% (1 in 5) of the working age population into manufacturing jobs. If your ratio is correct, the other 80% would be in service sector jobs and unemployment would be a thing of the past. – lol

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#7 posted 07-02-2012 03:15 AM

Ok…..mighty fine…..!!!

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#8 posted 07-02-2012 04:48 AM

Greedy corporations is why manufacturing went to China.

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#9 posted 07-02-2012 01:56 PM

Greedy corporations is why manufacturing went to China.

Now there’s a really lame argument. The only duty of a corporation is to provide a product or service at a price that allows it to pay the costs of production and yield enough profit to pay it’s investors and plow something back into itself for upgrading/improving it’s operation.

When a business sees a competitor providing their products or services at a lower price, they either find ways to remain competitive, or they die.

High labor costs, regulatory compliance, and the consumers desire for “deals” are what drove businesses overseas – or into bankruptcy.

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#10 posted 07-02-2012 02:02 PM

Greedy corporations is why manufacturing went to China.

Insane Liberal Tax and regulation policies have had more to do with that than anything else.

Everyone seems so bothered by profits, makes me wonder if they really hate the money or the fact that they don’t have it.

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#11 posted 07-02-2012 03:11 PM

In reply to Sawkerf and knothead;
In my opinion (opinions are much like a—holes, everyone’s has at least one), corporate greed is the main reason manufacturing left the USA. True, these companies want to make a profit, who doesn’t.
That is the reason Harbor Freight is doing well with sales. Cheap junk from China. I’ve stated my buying rules else where on LJ’s. I buy by the ABC rule, Anywhere But China.
My mechanic tools are made by Snap-On, they cost more, are made in the USA, and they last forever.
You hit the nail on the head (well, this is a woodworking site) knothead. Insane liberal gov policies have driven companies away.
Looking at the Auto Industry, unions haven’t helped much in one way but they also made the Middle Class American too. Gov. employee unions are taking cities broke and Stockton, Ca is the latest example of that.

I’ll continue to buy American made products whenever I can and not buy junk from China.
Hopefully, by doing this the job I save might be my own.

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#12 posted 07-02-2012 03:43 PM

Cheap junk from China… ...and not buy junk from China

I’m seriously no fan of “Made in China”, but casting everything made in China as “junk” just isn’t right.
I’m sitting at my Macintosh computer, my wife at hers – both “Assembled in China” – build quality – jolly excellent.
As someone pointed out in another thread when the topic started turning to “Made in China” – they’ll make to whatever spec, be it high, or low, they’re asked to. Problem often seems to be that whoever is ordering from them just isn’t asking for “high”, presumably because they know they can make more profit selling higher volumes of “low” quality.
This is interesting – we’ll see if the consumer is prepared to pay more, potentially “just” for a “Made in the US” sticker.

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#13 posted 07-02-2012 05:35 PM

knothead -
Yeah, I could have mentioned taxes as a separate item, but I think of them as just another regulatory issue. I also do not understand peoples aversion to profits!! Virtually everyone with any kind of pension or retirement plan is counting on those evil profits to support them after retirement.

PineChopper -
I can’t agree with your belief that anything made in China is junk. Some things are, but some things are as good as anything you’ll find.

IMO, labor unions have been both the best and worst things to happen to the “middle class”. The changes in pay and working conditions which they forced have been pretty much enacted into labor law. Unfortunately, many of their demands border on absurdity. Somehow, labor and management forgot that they need to work as partners rather than adversaries.

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#14 posted 07-02-2012 09:14 PM

Greedy corporations is why manufacturing went to China.

That arguement is only valid if China never had any manufacturing. All it takes is one company making widgets in China to make all the companys in America making widgets seem overpriced. Suddenly the only widgets being purchased are the ones from the Chineese company because they are cheaper, the other companies determined to not go out of buisness have to follow suit and move their manufacturing to China or another place where they can make them as cheaply.

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#15 posted 07-03-2012 11:34 AM

Suddenly the only widgets being purchased are the ones from the Chinese company because they are cheaper

This is true if all widgets are identical. If not, it is possible for companies to compete in terms of quality. I, and many others here, have some widgets made in the US and Canada by LN and LV that were bought based on quality rather than price.

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