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Forum topic by Handgrenade posted 06-28-2012 07:47 PM 3718 views 0 times favorited 13 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Handgrenade

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06-28-2012 07:47 PM

Topic tags/keywords: question tablesaw

I’ve been reading a lot about the R4512 this past week and it’s really piqued my interest. I currently own a TS3650 and have had it for about 6 years. It’s still in great condition. I have been planning to build a nice big table saw workstation and upgrade the fence to a Vega Pro.

Now that I see that the R4512 has a riving knife and an enclosed motor, I’m conflicted on whether to upgrade or not. I do see a mix of positive and negative reviews.

For those who have used both the TS3650 and the R4512, would you recommend keeping the TS3650 and upgrade the fence? Or buy a new R4512, sell the TS3650, and upgrade the fence sometime in the future when the funds allow for it?

Mike


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knotscott

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#1 posted 06-28-2012 08:01 PM

You’d be giving up solid cast iron wings to get the riving knife and enclosed motor…..both are nice features, but kind of a 6 of 1, half dozen of the other/one step forward, one step back scenario. Which means more to you? A good splitter essentially does the same job as a riving knife. Not worth trading saws over IMO.

If you have 220v, the jump to a 3hp cabinet saw would be a much more significant upgrade.

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Don Niermann

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#2 posted 06-28-2012 08:03 PM

I have the R4512 and love it. It took some time to put it togeather but it was worth it. quiet and strong.

-- WOOD/DON (...one has the right to ones opinion but not the right to ones own facts...)

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Luke

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#3 posted 06-28-2012 08:11 PM

I would agree with knotscott, I don’t thing its a worth while upgrade, but thats my opinion. I did see someone modify their 3650 wings to fit on a 4512 so they had cast iron wings, cant recall where I saw this though.

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#4 posted 06-28-2012 08:16 PM

i agree with Knotscott also. Giving up a known performer for an unknown (potential alignment issues) seems too big a risk versus possble reward. I have had the 3650 for about 6yrs too. Probably the best return on woodworking investment I have ever made. $300 new! It has pd for itself 10 times over.

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Handgrenade

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#5 posted 06-28-2012 08:46 PM

Thanks for the input everyone.

I had considered the cast iron wings as a plus for the 3650. In my plan to build a table saw workstation, I was going to remove one of the wings to mount my 43” router table top as an extension in an attempt to save some space in my garage. So, that wasn’t a huge deterrent for me with the new saw. I also figured it would be easier to build using a disassembled saw.

I do agree that my current saw is a solid and proven piece of equipment. I guess I have an impulsive tendancy when it comes to fancy new tools. In retrospect you guys are probably right, I’ve gotten along fine without the riving knife and the enclosed motor for this long and it wouldn’t be worth the money or risk.

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NiteWalker

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#6 posted 06-29-2012 08:23 AM

I would keep the current saw. IMHO, the 4512 isn’t much of an improvement. Both have table mounted trunions, which isn’t the best system for alignment.

Even if the 4512 had cabinet mounted trunions, if your current saw is cutting true, I’d not bother to replace it.

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lumberjoe

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#7 posted 06-29-2012 02:55 PM

Was it the 3650 that would toss a dado blade back at your face, or the R5411?

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PurpLev

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#8 posted 06-29-2012 03:07 PM

I don’t think that’s an ‘upgrade’.

you’ll just end up with the same motor size, same trunnion mounted to table, and same capacity – just new cabinet… for extra cost…

if you really want to upgrade and feel you need to – move up to a 3hp 220v cabinet mounted trunnion saw.

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NiteWalker

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#9 posted 06-29-2012 04:52 PM

@Joe: I think it was the 4511; it had a defective arbor.

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Handgrenade

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#10 posted 06-29-2012 05:38 PM

Thanks for all the input. You’ve all talked some sense into me. I’ve decided to stick with my TS3650 until I need (and can afford) to upgrade to a substantially better saw.

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knotscott

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#11 posted 06-29-2012 11:18 PM

The R4511 had a couple of reports of broken arbors, which were addressed early on….though I never read about any dado blades being tossed!

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Adam Baird

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#12 posted 03-29-2013 04:35 PM

I love my 4512.

That said, I’d keep the 3650 and set them up side-by-side on the same fence. Use one for dados.

-- Adam from Warsaw, Indiana

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yrob

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#13 posted 03-29-2013 04:55 PM

I have the 3650 and i paid $300.0 for it on ebay. I did not buy the more recent saws because they all seem to have stamped steel wings rather than solid cast iron like the 3650.

This is in my opinion the best saw they made. It is easy to adjust and it is build heavy enough that it stays aligned.

I have yet to find a newer contractor style saw that does not have stamped steel extensions and/or plastic gears for the blade mechanism..

-- Yves

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