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Forum topic by DaveFFMedic posted 06-26-2012 08:27 PM 3011 views 0 times favorited 19 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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DaveFFMedic

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06-26-2012 08:27 PM

Topic tags/keywords: question tip dust collector

Well, I’ve just purchased and set up my 14” bandsaw from Grizzly and I have realized a need for a dust collector. After doing a search of the LJ site, and reading all of the discussion on DCs I am just about as confused as when I started. Originally, I was thinking about a 1hp, wall mounted DC which would be cheap, compact and “get the job done” but after reading more on the subject, it seems to me that it will be inadequate.

I like the idea of ordering the HF 2HP DC and adding the Wynn 35A filter cartridge to improve it, but the total cost comes to over $300 and I still have some generic Chinese motor and impeller which may break at any time without warning or cause.

If I go with the Grizzly 2 HP DC (G1029Z2) I only get a 2.5 micron filter bag, but the price is about the same and I know the motor will be of decent quality. The Grizzly DC also comes with a free garbage can cyclone separator.

When you compare the two, they are pretty evenly matched. It’s hard to make a decision. I know there are plenty of you out there who have these models.

It seems to me that if I go with the Harbor Freight DC, I can get 0.5 or 1 micron filtration, but I take a chance on the motor and impeller.

If I go with the Grizzly, I blow a bunch of fine dust around my shop but get a potentially better motor and impeller.

What advice can you all give?

Dave


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Mainiac Matt

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#1 posted 06-26-2012 08:33 PM

do you want to plug in a DC and then focus on a woodworking project? Or do you want to focus on a DC project?

if the former… this is my recommendation

I believe it’s on sale right now for just a little more than the bag unit you referenced…. and it comes with a spun bound PE filter canister.

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#2 posted 06-26-2012 08:33 PM

I have the HF 2hp dust collector. It is exactly the same unit that is sold by Rikon except the ikon model costs 3 times as much. The motor and impeller are great and have been working great. Works even better if you use some type of separator.

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#3 posted 06-26-2012 08:41 PM

If you go with the Grizzly you STILL “have some generic Chinese motor and impeller”. You do have a mail order company that will most of the time stand behind their product and their attention to quality control is usually pretty good.

But, then again, I’ve never heard a complaint about HF customer service. If you have a problem in the warranty period they will swap for a new one.

When it comes to fine dust, 2 1/2 microns is no better than 5 microns. They both let the most dangerous fine particles through so you pretty much have to go to a cartridge with either machine to get better.

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#4 posted 06-26-2012 08:43 PM

I don’t want this to sound like I’m bashing the HF unit, because it’s a great deal under some conditions and the perfect unit for some folks. But comparing it to the Grizzly is not a direct comparison. Unless they changed it, the HF is more like a 1.5HP motor (HF magic makes it 2 HP) and has, I think, a 10” impeller. The Griz is listed with a 12.75” impeller and it is probably a true 2 HP motor, listed at 240V only. Between the 2, I’d get the Griz in a heartbeat. It will still cost more, since you will have to do something about those bags (1 micron or better is my starting point). But you might be able to sell those bags (others with 30 micron are often looking to upgrade) and at least get some of the cost back. Or go with the HF without the cartridge.

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#5 posted 06-26-2012 08:46 PM

Your approach with the Grizzly is not much better than chip collection in terms of health. Before you compare pricing equip each to protect your health then look at the numbers. The HF is highly regarded for the price I would compare the impeller size between it and the Grizzly though.

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#6 posted 06-26-2012 08:52 PM

I have an HF unit and a separator. In 4 years, I’ve had no problems and it has plenty of power. I use it on one machine at a time and move the hose from machine to machine.
The micron size of the collector bags is of no concern to me. I vent it outside. Nearest neighbor is over 1/4 mi. away. But, very little dust gets past my separator, anyway.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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#7 posted 06-26-2012 09:02 PM

I’m sure both are capable of the task, but they’re not really the same. The impeller size is quite a bit different, which ultimately equates to air flow, which can also equate to potential down the road. I also doubt the motors are evenly matched.

This pic shows a 12.75” impeller compared to a 10.75” impeller.

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#8 posted 06-27-2012 01:40 AM

Fred Hargis: I realize it’s hard to compare the two DCs. I would have compared the Grizzly 1.5 HP DC but it is only $25 cheaper than the 2HP version. I figured for just a little more, I could have a true 2HP DC – both models from Grizzly come with a 2.5 micron filter bag.

After reading everyone’s posts, I was leaning toward the Harbor Freight DC until I saw the pic knotscott posted. What a difference! I need to give this some careful thought.

I don’t have a large shop: I use my large 1-car garage. Everything is very compact. I will probably just move one hose from machine to machine when I work. I don’t think I need to think about “down the road” as much. What I have now is most likely the limit of what I will need.

If I get the HF DC, and add the Wynn filter and a chip separator then I’m pretty much set. I guess If something breaks down the line, I could replace with a comparable or better motor or impeller for less than a new DC.

I’ll probably go out on Thursday to get the DC. I’ll post when I get it up and running. Thank you everyone for your help. And if anyone hasn’t posted yet, feel free to chime in. It’s not too late to change my mind!

Dave

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#9 posted 06-27-2012 01:52 AM

I don’t know anything about the HF one, but I have a griz dust collector and it is fantastic. Haven’t had to add any filters to it and it works quite well. I use it on my CNC router which means it will run for hours at a time and it does this on a regular basis and has for months. No issues at all. I’m very happy with my purchase.

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#10 posted 06-27-2012 02:23 AM

Dave – There’s no way I could have ever anticipated what my future DC needs would be as my shopped evolved. The separators work quite well, but they diminish the CFM a bit so be sure you’ve got good real world CFM. Air flow is everything in dust collection. I’d buy the best unit you can afford….if you ever add something like the Wynne filter, larger diameter ducting, and/or a cyclone to something like the Griz you’d have a very nice DC system with impressive air flow.

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Mainiac Matt

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#11 posted 06-27-2012 02:30 AM

I don’t get why you’re looking at the Griz with a bag…. When the model with the canister filter can be had for just a few bucks more.

Lot’s of guy are having good luck with the HF… But the motor really isn’t pulling 2HP…. Certainly not with only 15 amps at 115 v.

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dbhost

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#12 posted 06-27-2012 02:38 AM

I am having good results with my HF DC, but if I had the $$ for a real cyclone I wouldn’t bother with the HF unit… Airflow with that Grizz would be better, but that 2.5 micron filter is just going to pump the dangerous dust back into the air.

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gfadvm

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#13 posted 06-27-2012 02:39 AM

I have the 110 volt version of the Grizz with the canister filter. I added a shop made chip separator and have been very happy with the set up.

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#14 posted 09-27-2012 05:10 PM

UPDATE: I have my 2HP Grizz Canister DC setup and have been using it for about a month now. I love it. Thanks for all the advice. It has plenty of “suck” and will probably serve me well for many years to come. My only reservation about buying this DC was the new aluminum impeller. To my surprise, it is a pretty heavy casting. It looks like it will be sturdier than a riveted steel impeller, though I don’t intend to torture test this feature. Time will tell if it holds up.

I have plans to build a chip separator in the future. Though, the way I follow through with my plans, it will probably be years until you see it actually built.

On a related note, your comments prompted me to explore other options which gave me the knowledge and resources to guide my father to upgrade his old Grizz DC with the 5 mic bag filter. He has purchased the Wynn filter. We are going to set it up and test it this weekend.

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knotscott

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#15 posted 09-27-2012 05:20 PM

Thanks for the update….it’s always nice to know the outcome. Very cool about tidbit about getting Dad to upgrade to the cannister.

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