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06-23-2012 10:00 PM

I pulled the trigger on a Craftsman 22116 table saw. When the order the placed on June 11th, it was going to be available for store pickup in 5-7 business days. On the 7th business day, they said it was out of stock and on backorder! The called the place it would be coming from and they said July 9th! That was totally unacceptable so I got a refund. Now I feel like i’m back to the drawing door. For the price, I never had a clear cut 2nd opinion.

My budget is $1,300 which includes any sales tax and shipping. I looked at the Grizzly G0715P, but some say it has the same guts as the Ridgid R4512. Why pay $900, when I can get the same guts and lifetime service agreement for $500?

This saw was going to replace a Black and Decker Firestorm 10” table saw from Lowes. As far as my needs, I build speaker boxes, desks, and some basic diy stuff like toy boxes. I want something with lasting value, which is why my budget is where it is. Am I leaving anything out? Any advise would be appreciated.

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#1 posted 06-23-2012 10:46 PM

Have you considered any of the Grizzly cabinet saws? They get pretty good reviews here on LJ’s. If your $1300 is a hard and fast limit, you can get the basic 1023 model for $1295 with shipping, and there should not be sales tax unless you live in one of the three states where Grizzly has a showroom.

If you can find one of the 5% off coupon codes (I think if you request a printed catalog it is printed on it) and maybe stretch the budget a few dollars, then the G0690 has a 4.5 out of 5 star rating in the LJ reviews, with seven reviewers. With the 5% off, it can be had for $1372.75. (I am getting these prices directly off of the Grizzly web site)

Keep in mind, I have never used any of these saws, just putting an idea out there.

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#2 posted 06-23-2012 11:31 PM

If I was going to drop $1,300, I’d want it to be on a “real” cabinet saw…. And the 1023 is exactly that.

-- It’s the knowledge in your head, skill in your hands and motivation to create in you heart that makes you a woodworker. - Mainiac Matt

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#3 posted 06-24-2012 12:22 AM

@Lifesaver2000 if he needs liftgate delivery (I am guessing he will) it will run a little over the budget, but I don’t knaow how hard the budget is.

If I was spending $1,300 only a 3hp cabainet saw would do.

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#4 posted 06-24-2012 12:47 AM

Thanks guys, I think I can add the liftgate service. On the 1023, is that the one with the extended table? I dismissed it because the cutting capacity is 8” left and 26” right of blade. Doesn’t that seem kind of limited?

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#5 posted 06-24-2012 01:27 AM

I would say that how limiting that is depends upon what you want to do. 26 is enough to rip a sheet of plywood in half. I usually use a track and circular saw for crosscuts on sheet good. And right off the top of my head, I don’t recall ever using the fence on the left side of the blade.

I’m still fairly new at this though (only had a table saw about 2-1/2 years) so I still have a lot to learn. I’m sure there are people that routinely work with the fence on the left and others that routinely rip at 47 inches. So, as I said it just depends on what you need to do.

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#6 posted 06-24-2012 01:50 AM

If you can get 220v, the G1023RL is a significant upgrade from any of the saws you mentioned. $1294 shipped. (because this is a left tilt saw, it’s fair game to slide the rail to the right for some additional rip capacity on the right…I’m getting roughly 36” with my Shop Fox fence rails).

If you don’t have 220v and can’t get it, the G0715P offers a significantly better fence than the R4512 or 21833, solid cast wings, and a full enclosure, so you’re not exactly buying the R4512 or 21833 for $400 more.

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#7 posted 06-24-2012 03:01 AM

While it’s true that they should have told you about the backorder, would waiting until July really wreck your day?

-- Adversity doesn't build reveals it.

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#8 posted 06-24-2012 04:17 AM

Consider the back order to be a blessing in you have more time to research and make a better decision and if you still want the craftsman , July is just around the corner : )

-- I'm absolutely positive that I couldn't be more uncertain!

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#9 posted 06-24-2012 04:33 AM

Sawkerf, I would have took my money back just on principal. Not bothering to tell him was just plain wrong.

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#10 posted 06-24-2012 08:48 AM

The Jet ProShop (1.75 HP) is in that price range and comes with a 5 year warranty compared to 1 year for the Craftsman & Grizzly. The Grizz uses the Shop Fox fence, which from what I remember got ‘good’ reviews but generally came in middle of the pack. I guess it depends if you want a ‘good’ 3HP saw or a ‘excellent’ 2HP saw.

-- Rick M,

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#11 posted 06-24-2012 02:39 PM

Don’t have the 1023 (dang it), but the Shop Fox Aluma Classic on my G0444Z is a very good fence. I’ve never had an alignment prob.


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#12 posted 06-24-2012 06:26 PM

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#13 posted 06-24-2012 06:29 PM

For the price, I never had a clear cut 2nd opinion.

Ok, then expect to pay more. – lol

Yes, they should have told you about the backorder situation, but if they had told you earlier, would you have pulled the plug on the deal?

-- Adversity doesn't build reveals it.

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#14 posted 06-24-2012 06:57 PM

Yes, I would not have ordered it. I ordered the saw and the 5yr warranty for $1,008.

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#15 posted 06-25-2012 03:27 AM

You could read my review of the 22116. I am actually really happy with it. It was an upgrade for me, so that influences my review. It really has a lot of features not found on comparable saws. That pull-up outfeed table has certainly made my life easier. Then again, you are dealing with Sears, and this is a company in a steep decline.

-- dnick, North Hollywood, Ca.

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