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06-19-2012 10:51 PM

Topic tags/keywords: new table saw need advice

I have only been a member of your group for six weeks. I want to purchase a good table saw and I would like some advice.

Can someone help me?

My top Budget is about $800 and that is it! Of the following which is the best buy for the money: Sears #21833 (made by Steel City) $650 Porter Cable PCB270TS (Lowes) $600
Grizzly #G0732 $800
Grizzly #G0715P $800

Or, does someone have another saw that they would suggest?

Thank you for your assistance!

John Shattuck
Pensacola, Florida
john.shattuck@live.com


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#1 posted 06-19-2012 11:17 PM

John,
Welcome to LJs. I can’t speak to any of your choices specifically, but I own a number of Grizzly tools and am happy with them. I think they make a decent product for the money. Of the 2 Grizzlys, I would go with the 715P because I think you will get better dust collection and the riving knife is good to have. HTH

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#2 posted 06-19-2012 11:26 PM

John – Be aware that the aware that the PCB270TS has a plastic elevation gear that has had several reported issues. It also has what I think is a fairly weak fence compared to others in this class. Steel wings are typically “a given” in this price class. The G0732 is not a full size saw, also has a weak fence, steel wings, and basically offers what I view as less saw than other saws from Grizzly near this price range.

It’s strictly a matter of opinion, but from your list I’d lean toward the Cman 21833, R4512 (both made by Dayton), G0715P, G0713, or the G0661, Steel City 35990, or Cman 22116 (made by Steel City/Orion ~ $850 on sale). All potentially viable saws at their respective price points….good alignment and blade selection will determine the end performance of each.

Used is always a viable option if the right deal comes along.

If you’ve got 220v available, at some price point it’s logical to at least consider something like a 3hp Griz G1023RL on sale for $1294 to your door).

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#3 posted 06-20-2012 12:10 AM

I have the Craftsman 21833.
It is a nice looking saw and if you get one without the alignment problem it is a great value.
I paid $409 for mine when it was on sale for Father’s day, 2 years ago.
I would love this saw if I didn’t have the alignment problem.

It is the same identical saw as the more recently introduced Ridgid 4512.
Home Depot had the Ridgid on sale for Father’s day last week for $550 I think.

A number of the Ridgid saws also have the same alignment issue.
The alignment issue is not repairable. The trunion tilts and twists as the blade height is changed.

Ridgid has a good warranty, but they expect you to bring the saw to a service center. It weighs almost 200 lbs and is extremely top heavy. Not easy to transport.

The internal parts of the Grizzly G0715P look identical to the Craftsman and the Ridgid, but I have not heard of anyone having the alignment problem with the Grizzly. Maybe it’s a quality control issue. Or, maybe I just haven’t heard of the problem.

I think if I was doing this again I would get the Ridgid wih the best discount I could muster from HD and take it home and test for the alignment problem first thing. If it’s bad, I’d take it back under the 30 day return policy and get a replacement.

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#4 posted 06-20-2012 12:28 AM

Hi Michael – I’ve definitely read about G0715P’s with the alignment issue, but they’ve supposedly dealt with them further upstream in recent months.

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#5 posted 06-20-2012 01:38 AM

Ridgid at Home Depot. I think the model R4512. I have an older model TS3660 and love it. This is a better saw than the PC at Lowes. Cast iron top is nice. Heavy – close to 300 lbs.
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-202500206/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=table+saw&storeId=10051

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#6 posted 06-20-2012 03:32 AM

knotscott I took a look at the Griz G1023RL. Is that a built in router table on the saw? Description didn’t say, but it looks like it on the picture.

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#7 posted 06-20-2012 03:35 AM

I second the Ridgid R4512 I have one and love it. 500 bucks at HD

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#8 posted 06-20-2012 03:54 AM

I have the Sears #21833 – I can’t really see anything I would really say that needs to be changed. I did buy a ZCI for it and it was really easy to install. Take a look at my full review

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#9 posted 06-20-2012 04:18 AM

$800 would get you a really nice used cabinet saw, most likely (assuming you have 220v)

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#10 posted 06-20-2012 04:18 AM

Topamax the router table extension wing is an option on the 1023RL it is stock on the 1023RLW.

It just has a bit hole and a universal mount underneath. It does not have an acess hole for above table adjustment so you can either adjust the router from underneath or if you add a router with above table adjustment you can drill the wing for access.

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#11 posted 06-20-2012 12:40 PM

a 4512 without the alignment issue is a great value. buying what is the same saw from sears is not wise as it doesn’t qualify for ridgid lifetime serive agreement. and if you can find a HD that honors the harbor freight “20% off any single item coupon”, you can be out the door @ $400 pretax. be advised that NO ridgid stationary power tools have a lifetime warranty. the lifetime service agreement is a program open toa new tool’s original owner and the tool must be successfully registered with the program. reconditioned tools are not LSA eligible.

and i believe crank49 is mistaken in his comment about ridgid TSs other than the 4512 having alignment issues. the 3612/3650/3660 contractor saw series had no such issues and the 4511 granite topped saw had cabinet mounted trunions and no alignment issues. the only ridgid TS that experienced changing blade alignment relative to the miter slot at varying blade heights, like the griz 715P, was the 4512.

if you are a new woodworker, i’d go new, although there are great values on CL once you know what to look for. a properly built and set up 4512 is a great saw that offers very good bang for the buck. and if you don’t like it, it can be returned FOR ANY REASON within the first 90 days.

if you want to spend more, i’d second looking at grizzly and steel city. SC runs specials and sales and they have a CI 1.75 hp hybrid that occasionally gets priced around $900. it is a really good saw. but if it were me, i’d spend less now and put the difference towards other tools to round out theshop. once you figure out what you want in a saw then you can decide how to upgrade. i still have my ridgid 2412 and, with the proper blade and aligned correctly, it has cut whatever i’ve thrown at it. good luck with your search.

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#12 posted 06-20-2012 01:45 PM

Toolie, you said “and i believe crank49 is mistaken in his comment about ridgid TSs other than the 4512 having alignment issues.”
That’s not what I said.
My comment was I had the problem with a Craftsman 21833 saw, which is the same as the Ridgid 4512. Then I said a number of the Ridgid saws have the same problem. I was referring to just the Ridgid 4512.
I know the granite top 4511, and before that the TS3660, were indeed fine saws. I tried to find a 4511 for months before I gave up and bought the 4512.

And furthermore, I’m not saying the 4512s are bad saws; just to make sure you don’t have one with the shifting arbor issue because it can’t be fixed.

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#13 posted 06-20-2012 02:14 PM

Toolie,
My table saw and band saw both have the Ridgid LSA. I double checked their database to be sure. It’s there.
Home Depot specs on this saw say it is covered by the LSA as well??

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#14 posted 06-20-2012 03:45 PM

I’m with felkadelic on this one!

For $600 to $800 you could get yourself an excellent high-end industrial quality table saw in good condition. The economy being what it is today, many small shops are throwing in the towel and are selling out. Look for a Delta Unisaw or a Powermatic saw unless you know the other brands. And there are are other excellent brands you may not have heard of as the industrial machine market doesn’t cater much to the amateur market. Also, be sure to make sure you get a single phase and not a three phase motor as three phase power is only available in industrial areas, not in residential areas. Watch the auctions and Craigs List for saws. Lately I have been seeing some excellent machines available at low prices at the auction web sites. One thing to remember about auctions is the auctioneer makes his money by an “auction fee”. Sometimes this is charged to the seller, sometimes to the buyer, and sometimes to both, so READ THE AUCTION RULES! The fee is usually in the area of 10%, but it can vary. Most auctioneers have an e-mail list you can get on so you can see what will be coming up. If you live in the Southwest, a good site to sign up for is http://www.machinerymax.com/index.asp. Even though I live in the southeast, I watch sites like MachineryMax to keep up with the machine values.

Good luck!

Planeman

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#15 posted 06-20-2012 04:18 PM

The safest and most accurate table saw is big and heavy.

Buy table saws by the pound!

for $800.00 you could find a dandy Unisaw or Powermatic used that would be a better investment than the new ones you list..
My home tablesaw is a 1940’s vintage Unisaw with a 52” Beisemeyer fence .. I got it used for $350.00
runs on 115volt.

220 is no issue to get set up in your basement/garage. It’s simply two 115/120v circuits.
Just avoid 3 phase .. unless you want to spend time and money on electrical.

Type in “Unisaw” and “Powermatic 66” on fleabay, and see how many are out there.
You may find one in your area,. maybe not. Craigs list is better ion that regard… but my own recent $350.00 for an immaculate Unisaw was actually via E-Bay.. and a 1 hour drive. It’s goi9ng to be local pick up anyway, so insist on a face to face cash transaction.

If new was the only option, I’d get the one with the heaviest table and base over any other spec. The Hybrid looks good in that regard.

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