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Forum topic by Nighttripper posted 06-19-2012 02:09 PM 1064 views 0 times favorited 7 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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06-19-2012 02:09 PM

Hello All,

this is my very first Lumberjocks posting!

I’m building a small drawer from one of Danny Proulex’s books. Throughout the project, he calls for glue with 1 1/4 inch screws.

Since there is glue involved, is there any reason why I can’t go with 16 gauge nails instead of screws ?

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#1 posted 06-19-2012 02:51 PM

Not being familiar with the design, I’d say 16 ga. is pretty big.
I’ve used glue and 18 ga. on drawers with no probs.
Hope this will help.
Oh. Welcome aboard.


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#2 posted 06-19-2012 02:57 PM

Without being able to see the drawer, or what it will hold, I’d stay with what he recommends. A small jewelry drawer holding a few ounces of jewelry, glue and brads are fine, but if you are building a drawer to hold books, or a kitchen drawer, it will take a beating and will have to be stronger.

-- Tsunami Guitars and Custom Woodworking, Cleveland, TN

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#3 posted 06-19-2012 02:58 PM

Oh, and Welcome to Lumberjocks!!!

-- Tsunami Guitars and Custom Woodworking, Cleveland, TN

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#4 posted 06-19-2012 03:01 PM

Welcome to LumberJocks Nighttripper!

Take your time and enjoy the journey, using screws gives you more control than using an air nailer. Oops, what do I do with this shiner?

A shiner is where an air nail breaks the surface and you have to use wood putty, or worse you nail your finger, for those that didn’t know the term.

Have fun and post pictures when you can of your project Nighttripper.

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#5 posted 06-19-2012 05:20 PM

Welcome to LJs !.

In this sort of construction the fastener’s role is partly to hold the pieces while the glue sets. If there is no end grain on either piece in the joint odds are the glue will be more than enough and so nails would be fine. Otherwise screws are a safer bet, especially if the joint may receive the odd good bump as screws have much more holding power than nails.

-- Dwight - "Free legal advice available - contact Dewey, Cheetam & Howe""

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#6 posted 06-22-2012 04:42 PM

Thanks for all the help folks. I will be starting this project later on today, which will be a small 3 drawer nightstand like piece for my shop…and it will also be my first project! I will be sure to post pics!

A few more quick questions I you guys wouldn’t mind!

1. I notice my table saw fence moves 1/8 inch on occasion. I think I may be putting to much pressure on it in an effort to keep my wood against the fence. I am going to try less pressure on it. Any comments ?

2. How long do I have to wait for glue to dry if I’m also using plenty of 18 gauge brads. The plan calls for the stiles, and rear support cleats and panels to be installed that way as such. I’m just wondering how long I should wait, if at all, between steps.

3. The plan calls for mostly 1” and 2” finish nails with glue; but all I have is an 18 gauge brad nailer. I’m thinking about just using those lenghts with my Brads instead of finishing nails.

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#7 posted 06-23-2012 07:48 AM

The movement in your tablesaw fence is deflection and it shouldn’t move at all while sawing; 1/8” is pretty extreme. If you post the type then maybe someone will know an adjustment. I’ve read reviews where they set up a 10lb sledge to swing in an arc several feet to whack the end of TS fences and the deflection was measured with a dial indicator (as in thousands or hundredths of an inch) so 1/8 deflection is unacceptable.

Dry time on glue will vary, for a mechanical joint I usually wait a couple hours to remove the clamps, for edge gluing larger pieces I wait overnight. Using nails or screws will act as clamps though and you can probably work with it much sooner. Norm seemed to get by with a brad nailer for a long time, should be fine. Most glues will set within ten minutes but will not fully dry for hours.

-- Rick M,

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