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MedicKen

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795 days ago

Topic tags/keywords: delta planer owwm

I have been on the look out for an old planer to replace my Dewalt lunchbox. It not that the Dewalt isnt a good planer it is, I just wanted and old arn. I have been looking for about 2 years and have even bid on a few but my budget was lower than everyone elses. That is until last week.
My new toy is a 1958 Delta 22-101 13×5 with a 3hp 3ph motor that at first glance looks to be in great shape. It was removed from a working cabinet shop that was liquidated after the owner passed away. There was a lot of very nice machinery at the auction and I wish I would have been able to afford more.But then I would need a bigger shop, not that we all dont need a bigger shop. I have a friend here in town who will be making the trip to Utah to pisk up his purchases as well as mine. I am really looking forward to getting it home and playing with it a little. Of course it will get a good once over to make sure all the bearings, chains, gears, pulleys and belts are in good shape. I think I am just gonna clean this one up and use as is, the paint looks good.
I am also finally going to upgrading from VFD’s to an RPC. I will keep a few of the VFD’s on some of the machines where variable speed makes sense. But the others will be packed away. The RPC will be 10hp so I should be able to run 7.5hp comfortably .

-- My job is to give my kids things to discuss with their therapist....medic20447@gmail.com


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Bothus

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#1 posted 795 days ago

Nice. I’ll bet you do more than clean it up though. You can’t help it, it’s in your blood.

-- Jerry Boshear, Professional Kitchen Designer, amature woodworker.

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Don W

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#2 posted 795 days ago

I’ve been on the lookout for something similar to replace my ryobi lunch box. I hope I find one like this. Great find.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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Bill White

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#3 posted 795 days ago

Uhh? Do ya think that’ll be big enough for ya?
What a beast!
Bill

-- bill@magraphics.us

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MedicKen

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#4 posted 795 days ago

I dont know Jerry. The gear box on this one is fairly complicated.

BILL It is only a 13” wide planer. The one I really wanted was 18” and weighed in at about 1500#. It also sold for about $1 a pound, more than I could afford to go.

-- My job is to give my kids things to discuss with their therapist....medic20447@gmail.com

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MedicKen

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#5 posted 782 days ago

Well, the planer has some problems. Major problems unfortunately. This particular model has an achilles heel, it is known as the intermediate gear that drives the cutter head and feed rollers. It is made of bronze and known to go bad. It would appear that someone used the incorrect lubrication and burnt the gears up.

Now I need to find a machinist who is capable of reproducing the gear without having to take out a second on the house

-- My job is to give my kids things to discuss with their therapist....medic20447@gmail.com

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PurpLev

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#6 posted 782 days ago

Ken,
from the photo the gear seems to be in OK shape – just haev some burnt oil on it. what makes you think the gear is broken? does it have broken teeth? is it not meshing properly with the mating gear? does it run freely? or is it stuck?

PM me with location if you need help finding a local machinist.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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MrUnix

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#7 posted 782 days ago

The gear teeth should be flat PurpLev, not worn like they are. Very common problem on those machines. Here is what a good one looks like (borrowed from a 22-101 restoration thread over at OWWM: http://www.owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=114604 ):

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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MedicKen

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#8 posted 781 days ago

Sharon…..I will clean up the gears as best I can and run the machine as is. There are some other smaller issues that also need to be addressed, table roller bearings, cleaning up the electrical, complete teardown and look at ALL the bearings and bushings, paint and so on. I was hoping this would be a quick clean up and start using, oh well. In the mean time while looking for the gears I can do the rest.

Brad…...There has been a lot of talk on OWWM about this planer and even some fixes from the original engineer who designed the planer. I am hoping I can come up with a gear set, I would really hate to have to part the machine out and scrap it.

-- My job is to give my kids things to discuss with their therapist....medic20447@gmail.com

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AHuxley

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#9 posted 781 days ago

The dreaded bronze 22-101 gear! Nice looking planer except for the “convex” gear.

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Grandpa

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#10 posted 781 days ago

Tough break. We had something similar to this when I was in high school. The feed didn’t work well. We were a bunch of farm kids in there (including the instructor). One day one of the guys said if you would grease that thing it might work. In a day or so it was working. He used a grease gun and lubricated it. Funny the things that stick with us 50 years later. Good luck on the gear. Someone out there makes or has that gear. Keep looking.

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JD13

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#11 posted 18 days ago

I know I’m quite late to the party on this MedicKen, but if you don’t mind me asking, can you divulge how much you paid for the Delta/Rockwell vintage 13” planer at auction? Speaking of deceased owners, my neighbor passed away and had one. His wife is willing to sell but I’m having a hard time finding appropriate value. It’s just like yours, 22-101, weighs a TON. Runs on 220. I have not had a chance to fire it up so I don’t know if it runs. I see you have done a lot of work to restore it and I’m sure this one’s gonna need it too. Thanks. -JD

-- JD from Elk Grove

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mantwi

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#12 posted 18 days ago

When you consider how many miles of lumber that thing has planed over the years it seems unlikely that you will wear away the remaining teeth in your lifetime. Powermatic used (maybe still does) convex gears on their model 66 cabinet saws. This problem may just be the gears wearing in so to speak. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it, you may be surprised at how long it will last in a small shop environment.

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rick1955

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#13 posted 16 days ago

I have a work around for this problem I’ve done it a few times over the years. Typically the gears transfer power from the motor that runs the head and the gears reduce the speed low enough for a feed rate. I’ve taken the gear off completely and hooked up a seperate feed motor. I’ve done it with DC gear motors which give variable speed. You could also do it with a three phase motor and VFD and get variable speed. You only need a 1/4 hp motor. A VFD for motors under 1 hp is cheap and you can even run it on 120 volts single phase. suepluscenter.com for motors and DC controls. factorymation.com for VFD’s.

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