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The World Needs a Non-Stanley Generic Plane ID Guide! i.e. Plane DNA?

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Forum topic by poopiekat posted 06-09-2012 04:33 PM 1529 views 1 time favorited 23 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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06-09-2012 04:33 PM

Topic tags/keywords: resource plane generic identification tools stanley

Well.. got in a few more orphan planes…and realized that there is absolutely nobody to turn to for an accurate identification. It’s just academic, I suppose, to want to know where these planes come from, planes that the manufacturer or retailer didn’t think enough of, to identify them. Oh, wait… was there originally a sticker on them, now worn off and lost to history? The packaging too, is long gone.

Yeah, I know, probably a brand name was moot, maybe retailed by giants like Kresge’s or F. W. Woolworth, meant to be used once to plane off a sticky screen door and then left to rust somewhere.

(Generic pictures removed for clarity.)

Anyway, we need a guide to assist in the identification of these old generic planes, right?

So… can we construct a flow-chart of some sort, all of us pitching in on such characteristics as body color, frog color, lateral adjuster shape, angle of tote retaining screw, front knob shape and wood species, size of cutter adjusting knob, and other stuff? Is such an undertaking worthwhile? Maybe a spreadsheet with editable text like in wikipedia? We can do it!!! Nobody else has ever assembled elsewhere with the knowledge and resources we have here!

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#1 posted 06-09-2012 05:12 PM

the paint color looks like a stanley handyman. last weekend, i saw one from the 1970’s that looked alot like this one.

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#2 posted 06-09-2012 06:12 PM

I’m wondering if our resident plane experts can collaborate on an identification project, whether it be a spreadsheet or flow-chart, similar to the hyperkitten flow chart for determining the ‘type’ of a given Stanley plane, that is, the era in which it was produced. This was set up by a series of questions about specific characteristics by which you could the determine the age and period of manufacture. With enough info, sorted logically, such a flow chart could be used to determine the brand name and presumed manufacturer of a typical non-Stanley plane. This is what I’m hoping to see someday.

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#3 posted 06-09-2012 06:44 PM

Fulton Planes: made by sargent, sold at Sears & Roebuck

Craftsman brand planes: Early ones by Sargent, later ones by Stanley

Planes sold by Worth: Unsure who made these LOW budget beauties

Union and sargent: Before there was a Stanley version…..

Great Neck planes????

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#4 posted 06-09-2012 06:49 PM

Thanks, bandit! I realize there is a ton of info that would need to be collected and sorted. And then, of course, the problem is how to make it useful to someone with a plane that has no markings at all! I think we can get there, or perhaps this task is too monumental to undertake? I dunno…

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#5 posted 06-09-2012 07:19 PM

The best clues are in the frogs, followed by the lateral adjustor lever. Sometimes a number is stamped underneath a frog ( such as a 414 , or 409B on a fulton frog) Or maybe a handle shaped a certain way. Maybe lay things out by decades, with a guide as to who made what type of frog, lateral, paint colours, and lever caps.

As for Sheltons, thankfully, they are in a class all by themselves…..

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#6 posted 06-09-2012 09:29 PM

I k ow what you’re saying. It would be a big undertaking. I’d certainly pitch in.

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#7 posted 06-10-2012 03:13 AM

Interesting challenge. I suggest to start, All known brand names, followed by Mfg. of the various brands. Yes, I understand “house” brands mfg changed fron yesr to year. ie: Dunlop brand sold by Sears & Sawbuck was named for a marketing VP, first mfg by Sargant. Bring on the info and we’ll all attempt to collate and organize. Spread sheets easily turn into flow charts.

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#8 posted 06-10-2012 04:02 AM

I would be very interested in helping! I think any pat. numbers would be a huge clue not to over look. I just used on the other day to ID a plane on ebay.

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#9 posted 06-10-2012 06:00 AM

I think I have enough “off-beat” planes to start a few pictures with. mainly Unions, Sargents, and a few others. Even have a couple stanleys. And ONE made by Worth…...

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#10 posted 06-10-2012 12:21 PM

Might I suggest we start with a thread, “unidentified non-Stanley planes?.” It could start as an information dump that would be a general Q and A for those unsure. Surely links and responses would fill in the gaps over time. From there, a potential spreadsheet or database can be built up from the tidbits left behind. Also, those that have non-stanley planes who do know the history could add to the knowledge dump.

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#11 posted 06-10-2012 12:31 PM

i started something similar some time ago.

http://lumberjocks.com/donwilwol/blog/24091

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#12 posted 06-10-2012 12:46 PM

Wow, Don, I had no idea that you posted that blog!! Very informative! I started noodling with a spreadsheet last night, trying to think of all possible variations in color, frog design, lateral levers, yikes…I quickly came to the realization that this is a huge project, and for it to be worthwhile, it has to be comprehensive. Yikes, and now I have to add ‘gotta percha’ to the list of tote materials, yowie! I think many of the unidentified planes we find probably came to market with a cheezy sticker on them, now long gone. As David Craig said above, an information dump would be great, especially for these poorly marked planes. Would a template be helpful? To plug in a value for all possible variations of a plane you’re holding in your hand? I can see where this could get complex in a hurry.

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#13 posted 06-10-2012 12:55 PM

Great blog Don and a good reference point. Maybe a copy and paste into a forum topic as a start? The problem with Blogs is that they do not stay in the forefront like forums do. Once an agreed upon forum is started, I would have no problem doing a few searches for copy/paste into the forum so that some of the misc. posts that are already out here could be added for easier reference. Not as effective as a spreadsheet but might provide a centralized location for those seeking to ID.

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#14 posted 06-10-2012 12:56 PM

so here is one that’s just Stanley. http://primeshop.com/access/woodwork/stanleyplane/pftsynch.htm

I’m thinking it would need to be a database, a spreadsheet would be HUGE.

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#15 posted 06-10-2012 12:58 PM

The problem with a thread, its hard to search. There is probably a large amount of this kind of data in “The hand plane of your dream” thread, but its impossible to find that information.

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