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Forum topic by Brett posted 06-07-2012 10:39 PM 819 views 0 times favorited 7 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Brett

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06-07-2012 10:39 PM

Assume you have two boards that have flat surfaces that you wish to glue together. You can either machine-sand the boards with 180-grid sandpaper, or plane them with a well-tuned hand plane. Which surface is better for gluing, the one with a little “tooth” from the sandpaper or the one that is very smooth?

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Mark Shymanski

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#1 posted 06-07-2012 11:08 PM

An interesting question. Should be easy to rig up a test in the shop.

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#2 posted 06-07-2012 11:15 PM

Ask, and ye shall recieve – http://woodgears.ca/joint_strength/glue.html

Net, with Modern glues, assuming good contact & clamping pressure, the wood fibers will usually tear first.

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#3 posted 06-07-2012 11:15 PM

Planed, or jointed for sure. The glue doesn’t need any roughness for the glue to work. Glue soaks into the wood and gets its strength from internal bonding. Glue has very little strength to cover gaps such as construction adhesive or epoxy does, so any discrepancy in the surfaces meeting perfectly only weakens the joint.

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#4 posted 06-07-2012 11:16 PM

I’ll go with the planed surface as providing better wood to wood contact.

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#5 posted 06-07-2012 11:20 PM

With white or yellow glue the smoother the surface the better the joint should be. So I’d say a good planed joint would be better than 180 grit sanded.

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#6 posted 06-08-2012 12:53 AM

I would say planed, but either would be stronger than the wood, so both would be Strong enough. Planing however would give a sharper edge thus a less noticeable glue joint.

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#7 posted 06-08-2012 05:32 AM

Glue is absorbed by the wood which is where the strength of the bond lies. Based on that logic, I would say that sandpaper could potentiall fill porous wood with particles that could actually inhibit absorbtion. Of course this is on a very small scale but if we are comparing method to method, this would lead me to believe that a smooth, planed surface would offer better absorption of the glue, therefore a stronger glue joint.

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