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357 days ago |
Topic tags/keywords: question I see them occaisionally. Tools of all sorts of interest to the ‘Pattern-Maker’ Is this trade part of fabricating sand-cast molds for the foundry industry? I just don’t get it. And now, here’s this vise posted locally, looks like a nifty old bench vise, but my god, it’s $1500!!! Holy Moly! It’s 18” wide!! But, I’ve seen even attachments, soles actually for Stanley #55/45 planes for use by Pattern Makers. As a kid, I used to peek in the back door of an old bronze casting factory, (it was always open, and hot as blazes) but I never saw any woodworking going on, so…I dunno! I am aware of the techniques used by Rodin to make elaborate bronze statuary, starting with a sculpted original, which in industrial processes may have been created in wood using pattern-maker equipment?? Anyhoo, here’s a pic: -- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!! |
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#1 posted 357 days ago |
You are correct. Pattern makers make wooden replicas of the parts to be cast. -- If the old masters had power tools, they would have used them. So get off your damn High Horse. |
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#2 posted 357 days ago |
Thanks, Scott! Google mostly had hits on dressmakers supplies, sheesh! -- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!! |
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#3 posted 357 days ago |
I don’t think I can help as much as I should be able to but up until 2002 I was on my way to becoming a third generation pattern maker. My grandfather opened his business in the 60’s after moving to Canada from Germany, my Father then took over until the shop had to close it’s doors due to lack of business, mostly to CNC technology. In our shop the work was mostly comprised of machine parts for mining and railroads. You are right about being a “part of fabricating sand-cast molds for the foundry industry”, expect that our role was creating the original part out of wood using a blueprint. The patterns needed to be extremely precise, up to 1000th while also allowing for shrinkage depending on the type of metal the final part was to be produced in. This wood pattern was then sent to a foundry to be cast in sand to make a mold. There’s a lot more to it but that’s the jist. I was only working for a couple years before my Dad had to close his doors so I don’t know a lot about the entire process but if you have any other questions, I’ll take a stab at them. -- Blair |
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#4 posted 357 days ago |
Thanks, Blair! -- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!! |
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#5 posted 357 days ago |
Pattern makers really are machinist working with wood instead of metal. The tolerances they sometimes work with are way tighter than what most furniture designs require. Those guys are good ! -- If the old masters had power tools, they would have used them. So get off your damn High Horse. |
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#6 posted 357 days ago |
An Emmert vise in complete condition is worth $500-750, so Search google for “backyard foundry” and you’ll find a lot |
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#7 posted 357 days ago |
PATTERNMAKER, WOOD (foundry) Plans, lays out, and constructs wooden unit-or sectional-patterns used in forming sand molds for castings according to blueprint specifications, using handtools and power tools: Lays out pattern on woodstock, dividing pattern into sections according to shape of casting to facilitate removal of pattern from mold, utilizing knowledge of casting techniques, and using marking and measuring devices, such as scriber, shrink rule, and square. Cuts and shapes parts, using bandsaw, lathe, planer, and router. Fits and fastens parts together to form pattern or section, using glue, nails, dowels and screws. Trims, smooths, and shapes surfaces, using handtools, such as plane, drawknife, chisels, and mallets. Assembles sections and verifies dimensions of complete pattern, using templates, straightedges, calipers, and protractors. Glues fillets along interior angles of pattern. Paints pattern in standard code colors to indicate method of assembly. Shellacs, lacquers, or waxes finished pattern. May construct templates for use in shaping irregular curves in pattern [TEMPLATE MAKER (any industry)]. May construct wooden models. May be designated according to type of pattern constructed as Die-Cast Patternmaker (foundry); Die-Lay-Out Worker (foundry). May repair broken or damaged patterns and correct patterns to compensate for defects in castings and be designated Pattern Setter (foundry). -- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle |
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#8 posted 357 days ago |
Thanks, patron! Good stuff there! I’m starting to ‘get it’ now.
Loren, thanks for the guidance on values, I have no idea what I’d expect to pay. -- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!! |
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#9 posted 357 days ago |
Most large foundries used to have pattern shops where the patterns were made. I say WERE, because the entire industry has been gutted by the EPA, unions, and competetion with cheap slave labor in places like China. I worked in a foundry for 31 years. I designed and built two pattern shops. There used to be a couple dozen foundries within an hours drive of my home. Now there is one. Another aspect of making patterns is the pattern maker has to allow for shrinkage of the material that is being cast when it solidifies. In the case of iron, it’s about 6%. So, the pattern has to be about 6% larger than the desired finished product. The pattern also has to be designed to be split in two parts with draft. That is, at least 2 degrees of taper from the parting line so the mold halves, called the cope and drag, can be separated to get the pattern out of the mold. Pattern makers still have work, but it is now mostly running CNC mills for plastic injection molds. The wood patterns were unique to the metals industry. I have a baby foundry in my basement because I just love the whole process. I now make tiny castings for jewelry. By the way, that pattern makers vise was sold by Kindt-Collins, a major supplier of pattern making supplies at one time.
-- Michael :-{| Diapers and politicians both need to be changed often; and for the same reason. |
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#10 posted 357 days ago |
as i understand it woodworkers (with a 2 deg. ‘mold release’ angle) today with cnc machines think auto engines -- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle |
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#11 posted 357 days ago |
I had an Emmert vise for several years. It lacks a quick-action For furniture work the vise certainly has a “biggest, baddest, |
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#12 posted 357 days ago |
I have seen materials other than wood being used for pattern making – wax, bakelite, plastic/epoxy resin, and in a few cases aluminum. Historically, wood has been the “go to” material for sand casting. Then you get into the tool and die making. -- David in Damascus, MD |
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#13 posted 357 days ago |
Patern making can be done on a large scale. When I was an intern at the GM tech. center back in the stone ages, they made 1:1 scale replicas of the auto bodies. When they had the lines exactly as they wanted them, they disassembled the patterns and used them to draft their documents as well as to produce tooling. CAD has obsoleted most of that process. And now 3D printing rules the day for making fast and accurate blanks for investment casting. -- Matt, Pine is fine, but Oak's no joke! |
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#14 posted 357 days ago |
Thanks for all the terrific replies, everyone! -- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!! |
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#15 posted 357 days ago |
Casting machines and casting sculpture are related yet entirely different. Machine casting is typically the sand mold method and the sculptor uses the lost wax method. The pattern makers was an entireley seperate trade and not necessarily located within the foundry walls. The kindt Collins vise is based on the previuos pattern makers vises by Oliver. Yost and Emmert. I wouldn’t give up my 3 Emmerts. Of course I never paid over $250 for each. The Kindt Collins was the last commercial pattern makers vise made and I think it was around $3000 new. A little nicer and heavier than the Emmert. I’ve seen a number of Emmert jaws were bowed from over tightening them. You want to try some simple casting look up the Pewter casting kits. You can melt Pewter on your kitchen stove at around 400 degrees F -- Few folks really know how to maximize the potential of their tools! |
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