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Forum topic by widwotkma posted 05-21-2012 03:51 AM 5198 views 0 times favorited 14 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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widwotkma

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05-21-2012 03:51 AM

Topic tags/keywords: rikon bandsaw 10-350

I’m curious if anyone has ready any reviews about the new Rikon bandsaw that is due out this month? (see http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/rikon-14-professional-bandsaw.aspx as example for details). If so, I’d be curious to know which magazines/websites you found a review in, and what your overall thoughts are on the machine (vs. other similarly priced machines). It appears to have an option of a Baldor 3HP motor. Is it worth the $300 difference? Thanks in advance…


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#1 posted 05-21-2012 08:31 AM

Wood magazine did a review of several bandsaws and the Rikon was only second to the comparable Laguna. The Rikon did win for performance vs price point across the board.

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#2 posted 05-21-2012 09:11 AM

Robert, I think he is talking about the NEW Rikon 14” saw. I don’t think they are consumers hands yet, but should be in the next week or two. Just based on paper I can’t see it overshadowing the Laguna LT14SUV when it is priced $200 higher with the same HP. The SUV owns every comparo it has been in and has Laguna guides…

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#3 posted 05-22-2012 07:01 PM

Thanks for the comments and thoughts. I did read the Wood review, but as @AHuxley pointed out, there is a new Rikon model coming out soon that I was referring to. I’ve considered the LT14SUV, but have been concerned about their reputation in terms of post-sale support. People either seem to be ok with it or claim that it is extremely bad – very few raves and many rants. Any experience with their post-sale support?

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#4 posted 05-22-2012 09:59 PM

I have dealt with Laguna for years, I have owned 3 of their Italian saws and still own a smaller LT18, I have used their guides on several non-Laguna saws and they are my favorite for all around use, I absolutely love their Resaw King, it is the best resaw blade available in widths for vertical bandsaws. I have had no issues with CS with them but I have only had 3 issues but were all handled the way I would have expected. IMO Laguna’s CS issues can be linked to having delt only in mid to high end Euro machines and when they jumped into the Asian machine market they were unprepared for the CS issues that came up. If you read a bunch of forums each has their own take and flavor for Laguna, IME Laguna has been great.

The other thing about the LT14 SUV is it is in a LOT of hands, plenty of great reviews on them on most of the forums, very little negative. Further, there are now lots of retail outlets where they can be bought so you have the retailer to help with any CS issues. Woodcraft, Rockler and Toolnut are three. IMO the SUV is the best engineered 14” bandsaw on the market especially if your goal is resawing. I will be interested in looking at the Rikon if I can see it soon or at IWF in August at the latest. Thus far the Rikon bandsaws have represented good value, particularly when they are on sale but the Laguna with their guides and the bigger motor stock along with what I have seen and what others report just seems like a no-brainer. The only issue seems to be Laguna’s post sale service, it hasn’t been a problem for me and I haven’t seen any issues with the SUV specifically so I wouldn’t have an issue with buying one if I had a need (with 6 bandsaws need doesn’t often come up) I would not hesitate to buy one, others opinions will vary.

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#5 posted 05-22-2012 10:19 PM

@AHuxley, thanks for the detailed reply. I will definitely be interested to see what the feature vs. price comparison is when the new Rikon comes out. I understand Powermatic will also be coming up with a new line to compete directly against Rikon in that sweet spot (<$1500), but maybe not until later in the year. We’ll see, but the competition is good as I anticipate we’ll see more options with more features for comparable prices soon.

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#6 posted 05-23-2012 03:06 AM

You could just up the budget and get a Hammer N4400, it is Austrian built and the best bandsaw IMHO in the under $2,000 range and it has a 4hp motor. Felder is also a company I trust more for CS than Laguna or Rikon.

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#7 posted 05-23-2012 04:41 AM

Actually I’ve been looking at that machine as well, given the promotion they have ongoing. It looks very similar to the Laguna Italian models (the mobility kits is identical). Decisions, decisions…

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#8 posted 05-23-2012 05:16 AM

Johnson bar mobility kits are the norm on small shop euro machines. ACM used to make all of Felder’s bandsaws, now Felder has started to move some of their BS line inhouse. ACM makes the current crop of Laguna Italian saws so it makes sense their are a lot of similarities. Then again ACM, Agazzani and Cantauro are all located within just a few miles of each other in Northern Italy so the parts contractors probably overlap to a significant extent, not to say there still aren’t significant differences but there are a lot of similarities in the Italian saws the same as a lot of the Asian saws. If you feel like spending the coin the N4400 will not disappoint IMHO.

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#9 posted 06-23-2013 05:06 PM

I purchased the Laguna 14 SUV with the deciding factor being that the Leeson 3 hp motor was made in the USA, among other design features. I was very enthused about the fact that Laguna at least invested in American made. To my dismay when I got the machine home I looked down and the motor tag clearly stated made in china! I then called Laguna to ask them why in a National add they stated,” our legendary bandsaws are equipped with American made Baldor or Leeson motor’s,” without getting into the ugly details of a very contentious and argumentative conversation that ensued, Laguna pridefully denied that their add campaign was either dishonest or misleading but they, “saw my point.” THE AMAZING THING THAT FOLLOWED WAS THAT WHEN I REVISITED THE LAGUNA SITE IN THE TIME BETWEEN MY PHONE CALL THEY AMENDED THEY’RE ADD CAMPAIGN AND ADDED AN ASTERISK NEXT TO THE LESSON NAME, and with this is now stated clearly below that these motors are manufactured in an Asian plant. I’m not tooting my horn here but rather writing to let readers know that arguing with customers is not right! And for those who are considering Laguna as prospect that Benjamin Helshoj whom I had words with and assume is related to the President of the company because of the last name as well as the possible manager of the Irvine headquarters, is a very prideful man and stated via email that he was,” not interested in swapping out motors for me,” to make this overtly unethical add and hence fouled purchase right.
He did offer Laguna’s re saw king and an extended warranty on the motor. The thing that bothers me the most is that one employee actually argued that the “or” in the prior add clearly differentiated the 2 motors, denying that American made was NOT implied here at all. Furthermore, Benjamin in his email to me start’s with , We do not in any way feel we are trying to misrepresent the truth. We do see your point, but it is a matter of interpretation.”
Obviously their lawyer’s can read english and they made the proper change! So there you have it. Now I ask, what would you do? return the saw and buy the Rikon with USA motor? or simmer down see that a change was made and some kind of offer made and stick with Laguna. Their are a few vexing reasons for my careful consideration’s here, 1. is I don’t want to buy into a lessor saw, ( is the Laguna built better, motor aside), 2. Time, hassle, and money are factors, but do you guy’s think it would be worth it?
and finally 3. do you think I’m over analyzing this experience? thanks for your help!

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#10 posted 06-23-2013 05:35 PM

@Superfuts,
It is so easy to take screen shots of web pages that it seems like that would be a first line of defense, especially with Laguna’s reputation of poor customer service. But I do guess that initial shock of being wronged can cause us to forget the CYA part. Thanks for sharing.

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#11 posted 06-23-2013 07:50 PM

pardon my ignorance but what is the CYA part? I think if I put 2 and 2 together I guess I should not have used a specific name in my post. i would like to edit that. but am new to this forum and do not know how to do that. I really feel the public should know my story and about Laguna, what they did and how they responded is a serious matter and it should be told to hard working Americans who are planning to invest a substantial amount of money and consequently that machine’s associated customer service. Thanks

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#12 posted 06-24-2013 12:30 PM

CYA = Cover your Axx

Hit and hold “Shift” while pressing the “PrtScr” (print screen) button on the upper right of the keyboard, above and between the letters and umber pad. After that open up your photo editing software, I use Photoshop mostly, open a new ‘blank’ image and then use the “paste” function. You will now have an image of what you saw on your monitor, including the browser window. Save as a JPEG image and you are golden.

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#13 posted 10-01-2013 05:23 AM

I looked at the Rikon 10-350 with the 2.5 HP motor and the Laguna 14 SUV with the 3 HP motor.
Both are excellent 14” machines with 14” resaw capability, 1 inch wide blade capability, foot brake, etc.
I ended up getting the Rikon.
Why?
- Slightly bigger table on the Rikon (21.065” X 19.065” vs. Laguna’s 19.75” X 15.75”)
- Adding sales tax to each, the Rikon was $475 cheaper (yes I know that the Laguna is 1/2 HP more and that is some of the cost – but really, 2.5 HP is plenty of power)
- 20 AMP recommended circuit/breaker vs. 30 for the Laguna
- I believe the Laguna’s ceramic guides are a bit better, but if you use thin scroll type blades (which I do occasionally) you need a different set of guides on the Laguna ($135 extra)
- I like the Rikon’s blade tensioning system a bit better
- I liked Rikon’s multiple safety micro switches in the doors and the tensioning system so you can’t start the saw if a door is open or the blade is not tensioned
- 5 year warranty vs. 1 year on Laguna
- I’ve called Rikon customer service a couple of times during set up, and with questions on blades and they’ve been super. There have been some complaints on Laguna’s customer service, although it seems their service has gotten better in the last year or two.

On my first resaw, ~8” maple, the Rikon cut trough it like a hot knife through butter. What a difference from my 14” 1 HP delta w/riser.

Billbor
Smyrna, GA

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#14 posted 03-12-2014 04:32 AM

I see this is an old thread, came across it while searching for reviews on Rikon and Laguna band saws. I was all ready to buy one of the Laguna band saws, however, all of the CS issues people have had during the past few years is enough to scare away anyone with a bit of common sense. Then, Today I noticed on the Rikon website they have introduced a new saw, the 10-351, now sporting a 3HP 220V motor. Not sure what other enhancements Rikon has made on this version, But from all appearances, it would seem Rikon has a winner. Any thoughts on this new band saw? While I do have a Jet 14” with the 6” riser, Carter guides, tensioner, etc… I think it’s time to step up to a saw with more capability…. Would appreciate any feedback on going with this Rikon bandsaw!

Thanks,
Gary

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