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Forum topic by RussellAP posted 04-29-2012 02:32 PM 1332 views 0 times favorited 9 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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04-29-2012 02:32 PM

LJ has a great forum site, I love watching it and learning from it. There is just one category that I think we could do with out, Non-shop Talk. I think it just creates drama most of the time.
I, as many of you, have different forums for getting to know people on an intellectual level, and having arguments there, but this place is for wood working talk.

I was once gently reminded that it’s for woodworking only when I posted a garden project that I had done.

What is your opinion about the Non-shop Talk forum on LJ, does it cause more harm than good to the site?

-- A positive attitude will take you much further than positive thinking ever will.

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#1 posted 04-29-2012 03:06 PM

The more posts, the more traffic, the more traffic, the more money the site owner makes.

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#2 posted 04-29-2012 03:21 PM

I have been here a couple of years. When I first came in the non-shop talk forum was called the coffee lounge. There were mostly photo threads, joke threads, just friendly chit chat type of postings.

There came a time a few members started getting a little raunchy, sexist, risque, what ever you want to call it and this devolved into picking on some members and posting clearly hurtful things.

At his point advertizers started leaving and the coffee lounge was shut down. For a few months there were no off topic posts allowed. The place lost its humanity during that period, in my opinion. Nothing but wood was boring.

At some point the management created the Non-Shop-Talk forum to allow most everything to be discussed.

I personally wish I didn’t know the political orientation of some of the folks on here. I had more respect for some members, before I knew they were liberal progressive types. Some of them may have had more respect for me before they knew I was a conservative constitutionalist. Sorry bout that, but I don’t try to push my beliefs on anybody else and expect the same treatment in kind.

Even an occasional remark or comment about politics are not that bad but it really plugs un-wanted drama into the environment when some people on here seem to post about nothing else and try to post derrogatory and hurtful posts about others. You know who you are and there are not more than 3 or 4 of you. I wish you would lay off before we loose the Non-Shop-Talk forum all together.

I don’t think the LJ world is as interesting when there are no public interest stories, no off topic discussions, no joke threads and no photo spreads.

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#3 posted 04-29-2012 04:56 PM

The non shop forum sometimes makes for funny stuff. It would also provide a good spot for garden projects. The biggest problem seems to be the extremes. That my way or none thing. Sadly it often becomes personal. I say leave the non shop forum alone and punish those who behave badly. That whole “make everyone pay for bad behavior of a few” turns my stomach. Even though it may be the EASY way to handle it, it is still the chicken s*%$ way of doing things.

As for does it cause harm. Maybe to those who wear their feelings on their shirt sleeve.By running this web site the owners are in no way responsible to make sure I don’t get offended. That is each members responsibility. Most of the time I know before I click if that topic will be a soap opera or not. No one has to look, coment or come back over an over. I hope no one ever tries to white wash my world for me.

Just my $.02

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#4 posted 04-30-2012 02:27 AM

Hi Russ, I think it’s needed, we all pretty much are here to, show off our projects, learn new stuff when we can, get some important woodworking or tool questions answered etc, etc. But every now and then an off topic discussion helps. At least that’s my feeling on it, some are funny, some are a little racy, others are pictures or straight up jokes and then there are the heated discussions, everyone needs to blow off steam, and voice there opinions from time to time, or if you tend to be a jerk, a wiseass, a genius, a show off whatever, here is your opportunity.

Unlike other sites like Facebook, there are no real discussions there, here you have that, and although there are several here that do almost nothing but post more off topics and almost never post a blog or review or woodworking question or story, I think they need a little more balance. It reminds me of hanging out in the local hardware store for a few hours, occasionally there were disagreements during our off topic discussions, but 99% of the time everybody involved still left as friends.

You once said on one of my forums, “just ignore them” that was good advice, I unfortunately am not that smart, at least that what my wife tells me. Even I open a can of worms, but if I see it getting out of hand I try to bring back the normalcy, not everyone here does. Those who don’t are looking for an argument 9 times out of 10 when they log on.

Sorry about the rambling, but in my opinion, I think it’s needed, knowing when to stop contributing to that post that has gone off into a war is what the smart man/women does. I try to be that smart, if you ever see that I am not, simple send me a PM, telling me to shutup and re-focus, that’s what my wife does. LOL

-- Martin ....always count the number of fingers you have before, and after using the saw.

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#5 posted 04-30-2012 02:51 AM

Knowing what the Non-Shop Talk Forum is all about, you have the choice of entering or passing. I come here regularly. You can usually tell from the first post if it is a thread you would want to follow. I don’t care for the political stuff, so when I see one, I do a remarkable thing, I leave. I do sometimes like to observe some of the pissing matches but most of the time when folks start getting personal, I just leave. To condemn an entire site because of ONE forum, is sophomoric. If you dont like the content of a thread, just leave.
I come to LJs everyday, hit all the new projects that interest me comment on the ones I really like; cruise here to check any new stuff out but rarely comment. I find it strange when folks get all jumpy when they enter Non Shop, find something offensive and complain about the entire site. If you don’t like the channel you are watching, CHANGE THE FREAKIN CHANNEL!

-- Made in America, with American made tools....Shopsmith

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#6 posted 05-01-2012 02:06 AM

Excellent point jumbojack, just change the channel, funny how many people overlook that, but I thing they want to really want an arguement or they are looking to se how many people will try to get them to stay when they say they are going to quite. Me personally, I’m hard to get rid of I,m like rust, no matter what you do I keep coming back, LOL

-- Martin ....always count the number of fingers you have before, and after using the saw.

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#7 posted 05-01-2012 03:37 PM

I don’t mind having the non-shop forum and I do think that Lumberjocks is a lot more boring if all you can do is discuss woodworking. I don’t mind the political discussions or any kind of discussions if it’s kept decent. I’m a very political person actually and because of the overall shape of our government and it’s further deterioration it’s actually vitally important that everybody takes some interest in it. However, what I don’t like is the arguing instead of discussing, the name calling, even the outright hatred that some people show, the disrespect for someone just because they have a different opinion than yours, etc. Not everyone that participates in these discussions are this way. However, there are enough to where the discussions become unpleasant. Because of this I don’t participate in the non shop forum very often but I do occasionally. I do take a look at the various discussions just to see the various opinions. I don’t want to see it closed down but when things get totally out of hand then simply delete the posts of people or even the whole thread if necessary. If certain people just can’t stay away from the use of totally foul language, personal attacks, name calling, etc. then suspend them for a time and see if they learn their lesson. It’s unfortunate that we can’t discuss things in a respectful manner. If we could I would participate much more often. However, I guess it’s just the way things are. I still don’t want to get rid of the non-shop discussions. If the owners want to do it then they certainly have a right to do it but I think that Lumberjocks would become more boring. Hey, I certainly wouldn’t go anywhere if they got rid of it because I like it here and I like the people. Another good thing would be if the non-shop discussions upset someone then they should just stay away from that forum. However, that doesn’t seem to work very well either. It all just goes to show us that people are very complicated creatures. :-|


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#8 posted 05-01-2012 08:46 PM

I have found that 100% of the time that when I don’t click on the non-shop forum, i don’t go in.

Happens every time. Go figure.

-- “When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.” ― Thomas Sowell

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#9 posted 05-01-2012 09:53 PM

What would Non Shop Talk be replaced with?
Yes it does get “heated” at times. Yes I’m guilty of looking and addressing some of the topics.
Yes I get my feathers ruffled at times but it works both ways.
Yes I know where to turn it off.
No, I’m not going to.
We all have choices. I respect yours and I hope others respect mine.

BTW, this gets beat to death at least every three months.

-- Life is good.

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