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Forum topic by Jeff in Huntersville posted 04-22-2012 01:38 PM 1550 views 0 times favorited 16 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Jeff in Huntersville

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04-22-2012 01:38 PM

Why do we put up with American industry using Phillips head screws? I’m in the middle of changing out the cutterhead on my DW 735 with a Byrd Shelix head when I happen upon those two g d_ned Phillips head screws holding the cutter lock plate. Everyhting else is an Allen screw but these. And wouldn’t you know it they’re torqued too tight and strip. Now I have no choice but to drill them out and find something else to replace them! What exactly is the purpose of a Phillips head screw and why does industry still use them? They cannot be any cheaper to use than a square drive. Stupid design.


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#1 posted 04-22-2012 02:01 PM

I agree 100%, and aside from some drywall screws used for jigs and things I switched to square drive a while back.

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#2 posted 04-22-2012 02:29 PM

This issue comes up often. http://lumberjocks.com/topics/36091

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#3 posted 04-22-2012 02:55 PM

Lots of different types of screws and fasteners on market, we just have to sort out the best one for the job we are doing. I agree that phillips screw heads are junk for the most part. Sounds like an allen head would have beed a better application.

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#4 posted 04-22-2012 02:59 PM

An update. Either I’ve put it back together wrong or the cutter lock plate isn’t needed with the Shelix head. So I didn’t need to worry about those screws. I did drill them out to remove the plate, though. Doesn’t change my opinion of the screws. I know it’s been covered before but I wanted to vent.

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#5 posted 04-22-2012 05:01 PM

To be pedantic: a cylinder is not a simple machine. An inclined plane is. Though most people consider the wedge and screw to be distinct instances of the six simple machines.

But I love square drives and use them as often as possible. Phillips were designed to cam out, that is not what we want. A pet peeve is the screw heads that have two or three different driver configurations and work well for none of them. If you don’t have the right tool, maybe you shouldn’t be fooling with stuff.

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Jeff in Huntersville

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#6 posted 04-22-2012 05:15 PM

I have Phillips head screwdrivers. And I’ll “fool” with stuff as long as I want. The planer works great so I must know a little biut what I’m doing.

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#7 posted 04-22-2012 05:57 PM

Vent away , Jeff !! It’s good for you : )
I had a Delta jointer with Allen head screws in it and despite my best attempts , I had to drill them out as well. I even bought a Snap-On hex bit and the damn screws were too soft to compete with the bit , thus rounding the hole out : ( Plus the screw heads were “domed” , so you couldn’t use Vise-Grips on them. Talk about frustration !!
There , I’ve vented and feel so much better now : ) LOL

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#8 posted 04-22-2012 06:04 PM

Jeff, when faced with a phillips screw that won’t budge use an impact driver. It’ll usually pop right out where a hand screw driver just strips up the head. Works much better than trying to tap with a hammer and turn simultaneously.

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#9 posted 04-22-2012 06:10 PM

impact drivers are awesome

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#10 posted 04-22-2012 06:54 PM

I share your dislike of phillips screws, but they are still second to slotted ones. In any case, someone mentioned the impact drivers. I bought one of the hand held/hit with a hammer type and it has really saved my butt several times. It will get the stripped ones out if they aren’t too small for the bits. Those screws get quickly replaced with either square drive or socket head.

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#11 posted 04-22-2012 07:05 PM

When Japaneese motorcycles used philips head bolts i bought a hand impact tool to remove them. It’s a 1/2” drive spring loaded tool that you hit with a hammer about $12 today but worth the price.
MIKE

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#12 posted 04-22-2012 07:23 PM

When I drilled them out I found some kind of lock tite on the screw ends. Guess they didn’t think they’d ever have to be removed.

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#13 posted 04-22-2012 07:46 PM

There are several grades of LocTite available.
Some are permanent , but most just hold the threads from loosening without tools , versus just vibration.
I suppose it’s better to have the screws locked in place than to live in fear of flying projectiles while we enjoy our hobby : ) LOL

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#14 posted 04-22-2012 07:58 PM

I always use philips head screws which came into existance to replace those horrible single slot screws.I find them great sorry . Alistair

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#15 posted 04-22-2012 09:02 PM

In most cases heat will break loose LockTite. Try a heat gun or a heavy soldering or one of those small butane torches.
MIKE

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