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04-19-2012 07:16 AM

I am here because your allowed to link to your eBay auction. You can link to almost anything. Lumberjocks knows they are not the only fish in the sea and they are cool with that. Lumberjocks is not a place where you get in trouble for saying Sawmill creek but you cant say Lumberjocks there without having your post removed. They boast of having 60k members and being the largest. Well that’s because people are slow to change and Lumberjocks grows by leaps and bounds every day. I believe in freedom and so does the people who run Lumberjocks I will soon close my account at Sawmill creek and will be happy about it So this is home for many of us Why are you here and did you leave another site to come here. i THINK i WILL STAY HERE WHERE i AM Happy


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Tyrone D

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#1 posted 04-19-2012 07:20 AM

I signed up for Lumberjocks after reading a post saying how Sawmill Creek’s administration/moderation was screwed up.

-- --Tyrone - BC, Canada "Nothing is ever perfect, we just run out of time."

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#2 posted 04-19-2012 08:11 AM

SMC used to be a really nice community. Still is in some ways because there are still some great folks there, but what was once a non-profit website, is now a for profit business. You have to be a “contributor” to even look at their classifieds. I still cruise the site sometimes, but it really has changed, and not for the better IMO.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#3 posted 04-19-2012 09:20 AM

The forestry forum is just as bad. The idiot who runs it kicked me off because I posted a link to craig’s list where someone was selling a portable sawmill at a give away price. He expected anything sold on his site to give 10% to him.

Lumberjocks allows posting links to the products you are selling while a lot of other woodworking sites do not. Having links to both your business site and the online auction sites helps your site rise in the search engines. Blocking all offsite references reduces the value of a website to members. The management of Lumberjocks is to be commended for the even handed way they operate this website! Thanks Martin! I hope your business continues to grow. I’ll do all I can to provide content to help you and the Lumberjocks community.

-- Hal, Tennessee

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#4 posted 04-19-2012 11:35 AM

I love it here. Whats sawmill creek?

-- Superdav "No matter where you go - there you are."

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#5 posted 04-19-2012 11:43 AM

anything sold on his site to give 10% to him.
I literally laughed out loud at this. I was a member there well before LJ b/c LJ wasn’t accepting new members at the time. You’re right that there are some great people there. Just goes to show how an administration can ruin everything. I’ve seen it in real life too:)

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#6 posted 04-19-2012 11:48 AM

I have an account with sawdust soup but very little happens there – mostly commercial folks. This place has developed into a good mix of new to woodworking, seasoned craftspeople and artists that are willing to help anyone that asks for it.

With all of its ups and downs, this is a class act. Well done MsDebbie and Martin.

-- David in Damascus, MD

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#7 posted 04-19-2012 12:10 PM

One of the differences between Lumberjocks and all other forums I’ve been too is the users. When I signed up 104 days ago, I was welcomed by four people on my profile. I dismissed these welcomes as robots. Hospitality on the Internet? It’s too good to be true! I later realized these were actual users that contribute to Lumberjocks.

Another difference is the equality of users. I have never once seen a flashy title saying, “Moderator”. I’ve been on some forums where the moderators needed a slap in the back of the head with a chainmail glove. I went on a forum to ask a question and a moderator gave some advice to someone which was clearly incorrect and it was pointed out by another user. The moderator said, “I’m a moderator, what I say is correct.” The nerve of some people…

-- --Tyrone - BC, Canada "Nothing is ever perfect, we just run out of time."

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#8 posted 04-19-2012 12:40 PM


Your Rant ,,,so eloquently stated. IMHO. :-) . My sentiments exactly.

Welcome to LumberJocks , a world of advise, opinions, and experiences, all shared without judgement. – Len

-- Mother Nature should be proud of what you've done with her tree. - Len ...just north of a stone's throw from the oHIo, river that is, in So. Indiana.

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#9 posted 04-19-2012 12:41 PM

Don’t know much about Sawmill Creek.

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#10 posted 04-19-2012 12:41 PM

Lumberjocks Rocks….what else is there to say. Why go anywhere else??????

This is the greatest website on the net!..............................Jim

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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#11 posted 04-19-2012 12:54 PM


-- "hold fast to that which is good"

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#12 posted 04-19-2012 01:16 PM

Right on, Dude! I also believe that any private enterprise whose policies don’t allow me to promote my own business must be run by a bunch of …

On edit: that didn’t take long.

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#13 posted 04-19-2012 01:32 PM

I remember SMC when it wasn’t like you are describing it and then I saw the shift to what you are not describing. They grew way too fond of themselves. Sad, because there was a group of great guys there at one time, and I learned a lot from them.

-- Formerly known as John's Woodshop - and NO not the one from Ohio!

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#14 posted 04-19-2012 02:05 PM

I had a similar issue with Sawmill Creek, I blogged about it here some time ago.

They’re like the woodcutter looking for the forest but unable to find it because there are too many trees in the way. They claim to want a forum where woodworkers can get everything they need, but they refuse to allow free expression.

Try to put a tool review on there! Won’t happen because they will accuse you of getting paid by the tool company to do the review.

Try to post a YouTube video...better make sure that YouTube doesn’t put an add at the bottom of your video because Sawmill Creek will lose their minds over that!

Have a nickname? You’d better know someone because only the moderators and their buddies get to use them over there. Even if you register in your real name and use it on your profile, you will get in trouble if you just refer to yourself occasionally by a nickname.

If someone asks a question about where to get a tool, you’d better not respond because you will then be accused of advertising for Woodcraft, etc. (Stinks when someone is looking for a good deal on a scraper or something and you can’t put up a link to the Woodcraft ad that has them for half off.)

Want to show someone a tool or project on an outside site? Better not link to it because if there is an ad anywhere on that site you’ll get a butt kicking from the moderators.

They want their forum to be an isolated little kingdom where they have full control of what you buy, what you talk about, and what other woodworking content you see.

I was a contributing member (that means I gave them money). But when I did a video review of the Worksharp 3000 they accused me of being on the Worksharp dole, as if that is the only reason anyone would review a tool. Then they openly mocked me and my videos, emailing me and telling me they didn’t think the videos were funny, or useful. I asked how telling me that was at all useful, and they denied it, as if I was an idiot and didn’t have their emails right in front of me. (I know I called you an idiot, but I didn’t call you an idiot…)Then they said I had an attitude problem. These are the moderators! They have a private forum only they access and they actually told me that they spent the previous evening mocking me among themselves.

The funny thing was, I never advertised anything. I registered under my real name, and never referred to “Stumpy Nubs” except in my videos. I didn’t link to my website, I didn’t offer any of my sketchup plans for sale. I never said anything controversial, not even to them, not even when they were insulting me like little children. They just decide they don’t like you and that’s that.

Needless to say I demanded my account closed and my posts removed. They couldn’t understand why?

Maybe they thought I was small potatoes. I suppose I am. But the thousands of people who tune in to Blue Collar Woodworking every week will never hear me promote Sawmill Creek, I can tell you that much…

Lumberjocks, on the other hand, gets lots of plugs from me. And I know of more than a few who have joined this site after I promoted it through one of my contests, Facebook posts, or Tweets. I also know of several who have left Sawmill Creek after hearing of my experience.

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#15 posted 04-19-2012 02:08 PM

Don’t know much about history
Don’t know much biology
Don’t know much about a science book
Don’t know much about the French I took

But I do know that I love you
And I know that if you love me too
What a wonderful world this would be

StumpyNubs … loves me … “like a fat guy loves cake.”

And that’s plenty good enough for me :-)

-- -- Neil

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