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04-16-2012 06:57 PM

I just received the ‘go’ from the wife to buy a decent HVLP for finishing cabinets, built-ins, trim, coffered ceilings, etc.

I’m pretty excited now that I have a little more $$$ to work with.

I’m looking at the Earlex HV6900 or Campbell Hausfeld HV3000 or HV3500. Something in the $450 – $550 range. Will either of these handle thinned latex acrylic enamel well? I’m trying to choose between these two because of the easy return policy at Home Depot or Lowes, in case it doesn’t work out.

Thoughts and opinions are welcomed.


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#1 posted 04-17-2012 12:12 AM

You might want to go used for that much money. I bought a capspray 4 stage turbine, 2 guns and a bunch of extras for $450 off of Craigslist. It was from a older man who took excellent care of it. It cost him $1200 new, including the extras. The more stages the better atomization. You need at least 4 stages to shoot latex, plus the tips to accommodate the thicker viscosity. Some guys have a dedicated gun just for paint. I think those units are just for lacquer, etc. Mine shoots like a dream and it’s much better IMO than the ones you mentioned. .

Good luck

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#2 posted 04-17-2012 12:17 AM

Man, I hope you’re wrong. I just bought the Earlex 6900 for $458 new on Amazon.

I hope it can handle a mixture of 26 oz. paint/ 3 oz. Floetrol/ 3 oz. water.

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#3 posted 04-17-2012 12:18 AM

What Irish620 said. Go for top of the line, it might take a while, but well worth it.

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#4 posted 04-17-2012 12:49 AM

It seems you already made your decision. I actually would lean toward a pressure pot and a binks or devilbiss gun. Different type of set up. My opinion there is a greater upside with the pressure pot system.

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#5 posted 04-17-2012 12:50 AM

I have about every type of sprayer, and for spraying latex, an airless is the best by far. I have a Graco 4900 4 stage turbine HVLP ($1100) and it will spray latex but not well. My opinion is latex is just not designed to atomize in a stream of air like a solvent based product. To thin it to the point of atomization for a decent spray destroys the properties in the original formulation of the paint.
In your price range I would have to the Earlex if you want new. Not from actual usage, but from many good reviews on the product. Used, like irish said, is an excellent way to upgrade for the same cost. If the previous owner sprayed latex in an HVLP, take the gun apart to check for any dried crud. Latex is more of a pain to clean out than solvent based. Also if he used any post cat products these can muck up a gun also if not cleaned out properly.

-- Gary; Marysville, MI...Involve your children in your projects as much as possible, the return is priceless.

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#6 posted 04-17-2012 12:54 AM

I can still cancel the order.

Should I consider a compressor setup and gun?

Any links to a pressure pot device? I’m not clear on that even after reading Spray Finishing Made Easy.

What other products could I spray with glass like results on cabinets and built-ins? I’m thinking maybe I just bought the wrong finishing product??

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#7 posted 04-17-2012 01:37 AM

A pressure pot is not going to perform any differently than a pressure cup or gravity feed (all HVLP’s are one or the other). It just holds more product for less refills.
If you want a good durable finish try getting into lacquers. There are waterborme versions if you want to stay away from the solvent VOC issues. Go to a local Shewin Williams and weed through the no nothing employees until you find the one that deals with the local cabinet shops and is familiar with their CAB products. You may have to go up to a regional manager. Or go online and educate yourself. That’s what I did because my local SW doesn’t know anything about their lacquer products. I have to tell them what to order….frustrating. Or a Pratt&Lambert dealer. P&L owns ML Campbell, another cabinet finish manufacturer (MagnaLac is what I use the most).
If you want to spray latex try it out with an airless rental unit. Hopefully one that operates correctly. You don’t need a high end or high output machine to spray cabinets. I use a 311 tip with the pressure set fairly high to get a good pattern. If your getting heavy lines on the edges of your pattern then your pressure is too high. This is what I use on trim, doors, coffers, any interior trim thats not “cabinets”. I have sprayed cabinets or shelf units with Proclassic before I changed over to lacquer years ago. I kicked myself for not changing years before. Quality in the finish was night and day.
I may start a fued with this, but HVLP’s will not give you the finish your looking for with latex, no matter how much you doctor the paint.

-- Gary; Marysville, MI...Involve your children in your projects as much as possible, the return is priceless.

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#8 posted 04-17-2012 01:46 AM

I am sure the Earlex will be a good gun for you, so I don’t want to take anything away from that purchase you made.

I personally had a negative experience with my Earlex gun, nothing against Earlex though. Just when I accidentally damaged the cup, I was looking at 50.00 plus shipping and having to wait on the cup to arrive. Since I cannot be down long at all, waiting on a part is not acceptable.

In fact, at Woodcraft you can purchase their woodriver spray gun (http://www.woodcraft.com/product/2021128/25126/woodriver-pro-hvlp-spray-gun-with-600cc-plastic-cup.aspx), which lays finish as good as the Earlex set up and the gun only cost 40.00. My local Woodcraft sells the gun for 30.00. And any issues, such as accidentally dropping a 100 lb cabinet on your gun only means you have to drive to Woodcraft to buy another 30.00 gun. Then again if you don’t have a Woodcraft near by…

Maybe I can shed light on the pressure pot set up:

You need a compressor, so consider that cost before making any decisions. We have burned up many compressors in our time so getting a decent compressor is important. If you are a hobby person, most compressors will do. We use ours a ton. If you have a decent compressor, then 1/2 the battle is over.

Pressurs pot system holds the material in a pressure pot that the gun is connected to with two hoses. One hose is for material, the other hose carries your air. This means the gun is much lighter for extensive spraying. Less wear on your arms while waiving the gun back and forth.

Since no cup is attached to the gun itself, spraying in tighter spaces is easier. Ever try spraying lacquer in a custom built shoe rack, kind of tough with a large cup attached to the gun.

Pressure pots hold more material, anywhere from 2 qt to 2 gallons, some even much larger, but 2 gallons is all that is needed. So with more material, you will refill your container less and thus spray more.

The pressure pot system is a closed system, thus the system can be left unattended without total clean up for some periods of time without any issues.

Clean up can be fairly simple when you use liners. In the larger 2 gallon pots you can place the entire one gallon can inside the pot.

I know there is more adjustability with a binks or devilbiss hvlp gun then there is with the Earlex gun, I can only speak for the 5000 model because that was the model I personally owned.

I am fairly confident a binks or devilbiss gun is of higher quality then what will be found with the Earlex gun. Parts, different sized needles and such will be more readily available with a binks/devilbiss gun as opposed to Earlex.

There is greater history to draw from with regards to binks/devilbiss guns as compared to Earlex.

You will never out grow the binks/devilbiss gun set up and it will likely last the remainder of your life, where as your needs might some day outgrow the Earlex.

As for Capspray, I worked at a friend’s shop, he used the capspray 9000. It was a decent set up but again the material is held inside the cup, which I found to be heavy, cumbersome and always had to continue refilling the cup every few minutes or so.

Here is a Devilbiss pressure pot set up to look at: http://www.ebay.com/itm/DeVILBISS-CVI-HVLP-Paint-SPRAY-GUN-2-Quart-Pressure-Pot-/200741241015?pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&vxp=mtr&hash=item2ebd1c40b7

Just my opinion, I certainly hope no person is offended as I do not want to take away from another opinion with regards to Capspray or Earlex. Thanks, Jerry

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#9 posted 04-17-2012 01:48 AM

Good to know a pressure cup is what I have. I read that in the book and was wondering if mine had it.

I’m not worried about fumes or VOC issues. I just want the best finish possible. I initially purchased Sherwin Williams Pro Classic Acrylic Latex Enamel. That’s what I have been trying to spray, mixed down with water and Floetrol. As mentioned in another thread, I got pretty smooth results from a Wagner Double Duty Control Spray thing that looks like a hair dryer! It was a pretty smooth finish, but not glass smooth. At this point, with several layers of this paint on the cabinets, and it being tinted, I don’t think I have many options from here other than just pushing forward with what I have to work with. I read a lot before purchasing this, and I think I should have purchased the Sherwin Williams Pro Classic water based alkyld.

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#10 posted 04-17-2012 01:48 AM

You need a beefy compressor to run a HVLP system. The turbine is perfect for me, IMO the compressor HVLP is great if you already have or need a big compressor and a pressure pot I thought was for mostly production type
setups. There are a million opinions on this subject. Ultimately, for me, it comes down to how many time a year are you using it and how much are you willing to pay.

Since that unit is 3 stage, forget about spraying Latex. If waterborne and lacquer is all your spraying 95% of the time, then you’ll probably be just fine.

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#11 posted 04-17-2012 01:54 AM

I can easily get into a beefy compressor/gravity HVLP gun setup if I buy from Harbor Freight. Easily for less than $400 I think. Keep in mind that I will only be using this as I complete my own household projects. That’s it.

I could even get a Husky HVLP gravity gun from Home Depot for < $100.

I just won’t be using that compressor for anything else but paint, and that bothers me.

Thoughts?

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#12 posted 04-17-2012 02:00 AM

I just cancelled my order.

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#13 posted 04-17-2012 02:17 AM

AHHHHHH, now back to the drawing board. Just when you think you have things figured out. Advise is the best and worst thing sometimes. Always better to be in the know though, at least you can then foresee yourself getting screwed.

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#14 posted 04-17-2012 02:25 AM

I guess I can find some other uses for a compressor system. Harbor freight has a 21 gallon 2.5 hp unit for less than $150. Throw in a 20 off coupon and damn…...!

Buy a Husky from Home Depot and a regulator and water filter…... Shazaam!

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