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Forum topic by Sirgreggins posted 04-12-2012 08:05 PM 5979 views 0 times favorited 14 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Sirgreggins

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04-12-2012 08:05 PM

I’m getting ready to build a router table and found a router lift from Woodcraft for $180. It can support both of these routers, but what’s the difference between them? And are they any good?
(I have a Ryobi 2 hp plunge router from homedepot now that I use for hogging out a lot of material but need something with more precision. The Ryobi doesn’t plunge well. The mechanism allows lateral movement so sometime a channel isn’t even all the way down. some parts are wider than others. It’s going to be my workhorse to remove a lot of material then use a better router to do the precision cuts.)


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#1 posted 04-13-2012 12:02 AM

They are the same router. The kits are just different. The 895 comes with an adjuster for adjusting the height of your router in a table from above. I have this router and am extremely happy with it. The router is 2.25 horse, takes 1/4 and 1/2 inch shank bits and is variable speed with soft start. The kit for the 893 is plung base, fix base and router motor. The 895 is fix base, plunge and adjuster for above table adjustment.

-- mrg

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#2 posted 04-13-2012 01:39 AM

Thanks for the clarification mrg. I really appreciate it.

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#3 posted 10-24-2012 04:34 PM

Yep, and what’s sort of bizarre is that the 893 is more expensive, by about $30, than the 895 when purchased on Amazon.

I have the same fixed base router basically permanently mounted in my router table, and the adjuster is a truly awesome device. It’s so great to be able to make those little finicky adjustments from above without needing to fiddle around with the router so much. (Granted, there is a lock lever that you have to release, but that’s understandable—you wouldn’t want the thing to be free-floating.)

Getting ready to buy a second PC 890 series for work that is not in the router table.

-- -- Tony

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Sirgreggins

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#4 posted 10-24-2012 04:45 PM

I ended up going with the Bosch 1617 kit. The fixed base has table adjustment built in so no lift was needed, + it was cheaper than the PC. I’m in love with this router. Powerfull, accurate, and smooth. This will last me many years

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#5 posted 10-24-2012 05:36 PM

I recommend reading the Fine Woodworking article on routers for router tables. There are better routers for a table than the 890. To change bits from above the table you need to remove the throat of your router plate, and use a bent wrench to reach the collet. Other routers do not have this problem, for instance the Freud FT1700 lets you easily change bits, adjust height, and lock the collet – all from above the table. It is no more expensive than the P.C. router, and has been serving me well for years.

One thing that makes a router really annoying is lack of proper collet extension. Bending under the table to change bits gets old the 2nd time you do it.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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#6 posted 10-24-2012 06:38 PM

You did good. The 1617 is an excellent router and one I plan on grabbing soon to upgrade my router table.

-- He who dies with the most tools... dies with the emptiest wallet.

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#7 posted 10-24-2012 06:43 PM

I have a 1617 in my router table, love it.

-- Paul, Tennessee, http://www.tsunamiguitars.com

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Sirgreggins

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#8 posted 10-24-2012 06:43 PM

it’s worth every penny. The plunge base has a spring lever which make for smooth plunging and easy if you want to retract the bit into the housing. And like i said the fixed base has above the table adjustment built in and works really well. I dont know if any other router kit even compares, especially at the price point.

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#9 posted 10-24-2012 06:57 PM

a while ago, I pulled the trigger on the PC 895, took Woodcraft over a month to get it in stock.

I buy from there even though its a little pricier because I appreciate having a local supply store where you can put your hands on the tools and some generally helpful staff.

I use it under the table, with it mounted to my woodpecker plate I can raise it high enough to change bits above the table with the included wrench. I still have to reach under to use the push pin on the collet. I might bend the wrench that came with it so it will hit the (shaft nut?) other one and use a regular wrench for the collet for all above board cutter change…

I haven’t had any complaints with the router itself other than it did not come with the centering cone that the instructions state come with it. I really like this Router to be honest, but its my first contractor grade and don’t have any other experience.

-- Brian

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#10 posted 10-26-2012 03:01 AM

The P/C 800 series seem cheaply made to me – poor high adjusters c/w the Bosch 1617’s. I don’t think P/C is making stuff worth buying anymore – pity.

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Grandpa

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#11 posted 10-26-2012 03:07 AM

Talk to A1Jim. He owns about 40 PC routers

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#12 posted 10-26-2012 05:11 AM

Well, I read some more reviews, and decided to get the Bosch 1617 PK instead. I have the 890 in my router table, and to tell the truth, I am very, very happy with having it there. It works like a champ for table routing.

But I read quite a few bad notices about the plunge functionality, and I have to admit, the use of a locking pin to change the router bits instead of two wrenches bothers me a little. It’s really convenient to do it that way in the table, but I also know that there is the chance of shearing off that pin. And I’ve had a different brand of router that developed problems tightening when using a locking pin.

So, since I don’t mind using two wrenches when it’s outside the table, I figured I’d go with the Bosch. Plus, the Bosch was sixty dollars cheaper.

Got the Bosch today, and I gotta say, I love the performance so far.

-- -- Tony

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#13 posted 10-26-2012 06:18 AM

Congrats. :)
The 890 series is nice, but not $60 more nice.
FWIW, you could still use two wrenches with it; I’m a big fan of two wrench bit changes too.

-- He who dies with the most tools... dies with the emptiest wallet.

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#14 posted 10-26-2012 06:41 AM

Ditto MRG.

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