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Forum topic by lieutenantdan posted 04-07-2012 03:17 AM 4217 views 0 times favorited 16 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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04-07-2012 03:17 AM

Why do people treat their table saws like this??

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#1 posted 04-07-2012 03:21 AM

I don’t understand it either. Some people live in a climate where this happens indoors but some of these look like they have been left outdoors under a tree or something. Maybe we should have a law. there is a law for everything else. A depart of power tool services…...Remove those tools from these abusers!

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#2 posted 04-07-2012 03:52 AM

That’s really no big deal. In some areas a machine will accumulate
that kind of oxidation in a couple of months sitting in a garage.

Cast iron forms an oxide coating (rust) which protects the metal
underneath. While the iron may get etched or lightly pitted, this
quality of corrosion resistance makes cast iron an ideal material
for hard-wearing machine surfaces. It is tough, inexpensive,
machinable to close tolerances too.

In buying dozens of used woodworking machines over the years
I usually encounter some oxidation of cast iron surfaces and it
has never been a problem. Never. I just clean it up, wax it
and go.

If you don’t want you machine tops to oxidize, the first thing
to do is live in a dry climate. Then, keep them indoors, and
you can keep them waxed. You can also store machines
with gas-permeable covers on them.

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#3 posted 04-07-2012 05:49 AM

I agree with both above.

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#4 posted 04-07-2012 07:08 AM

How did you get into my shop to take that picture?


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#5 posted 04-07-2012 07:29 AM

IM steve from ky and I take care of my baby grizzly it gets cleaned and polished when Im not in the shop I use mothers cleaner and it works better than anything for stoppin the rustmonster it leaves a good coat of protection and fights rust longer but I still wipe it down with oil just in case

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#6 posted 04-07-2012 02:23 PM

There is no call for a tablesaw, or any other equipment to look like that….That is just neglect….pure and simple…..I don’t care how much it is eposed to the elements of humidity or anything else, that’s just being too lazy to take care of it… only takes a litte bit of effort to keep your machines and equipment looking good…..if people let their tools and power tools get that bad, they don’t need to own them, in my opinion…..

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#7 posted 04-07-2012 02:31 PM

Inbreeding, I would think…

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#8 posted 04-07-2012 04:20 PM

It’s sad. They spend $550+ for a new saw, but can’t be bothered to wax or cover it. It really doesn’t take much effort to prevent that.

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#9 posted 04-07-2012 06:39 PM

While I don’t have a degree in metallurgy I can say that rust will eat all of the way through a piece of cast iron. Oxidation just needs moisture, air and iron electrons. The surface is in fact not protected. Rust will continue on through the saw until it reaches the other side. Granted it will take awhile but nature has all of the time in the world.

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#10 posted 04-07-2012 09:49 PM

Hey, that is my saw, or one just like it. Well mine’s not rusty because I use it. People let their saws go if they don’t use them and face it, rust happens.

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#11 posted 04-07-2012 11:27 PM

That saw was pretty much what my saw look like when I first got it.
The asking price was $300. I got it about 2 weeks ago for $80. An extra blade goes with it, but “No Thanks”. The blade was as bad as the one already on the saw.

I’ll post a picture of it later. I am not done yet but I am close.

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#12 posted 04-08-2012 12:23 AM

Every spring it is a ritual for me. Before I can do anything in the shop every cast iron tool must have the table cleaned of surface rust and waxed. I haven’t found anything to keep the tables clear over winter in an unheated garage. At this point I just accept it as a price I must pay.

Sometime in the future (maybe this summer? naw, I gotta rewire and organize what I already have) I will get heating installed.

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#13 posted 04-08-2012 04:21 AM

It is ashame that someone won’t take care of things. Here is the TS that I have recently purchased. It needed a lot TLC. It pretty much look like Dan’s pic. The TS is a Craftsman, 113.299410 with a XR 2424 fence.

The only reason I purchase the TS was because my old Delta 34-670 TS motor die on me. It was too expensive to replace the motor and cast iron table was wrapped. So it an excuse to find a replacement. I am hoping that this will be an upgrade with my limited budget.

Here’s what I have done done so far:
  1. Throw away the old blade.
  2. Double check for table flatness (Was checked before the purchase).
  3. Fix “tact, tac, tac,,,,,,,,tac” sound (Was sure that it wasn’t coming from the arbor nor the motor). I added the mix key-way on the motor pulley and the noise went away.
  4. Align motor and pulley.
  5. Fix blade wobble by grinding the arbor flange flat. I have to do a bit of research but luckily LJ already have post on this topic and it was a easy fix.
  6. Remove rust off of table and the wing extensions.
  7. Scrub grease/wood deposite on the ACME screws for blade height and tilt adjust.
  8. Replaced throat plate and adjusted.
  9. Clean & oil mobile base wheels.
  10. Replaced with link belt.
  11. Lubricate the ACME screws.
To do list:
  1. Wax table top.
  2. Replace electric cord (tape up on the outside).
  3. Add sacrificial fence. The existing aluminum fence is scratch up by the blade and it absolutely look horrible.
  4. Air blast all the old dirt away (inside and out).
Future consideration:
  1. Wire motor for 220 Vac.
  2. More tuning to reduce vibration farther. Check motor mount, motor, pulley alignment again.
  3. Have a better mobile base.

It is a lot of work but I do enjoy bring it back. For an $80.00 saw that will cut straight and square with a +/- 0.0015 blade fluctuation, that isn’t so bad. Is it?

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#14 posted 04-08-2012 02:25 PM

That’s about what my Craftsman looked like when I bought it off Craigslist. Talked the owner down $100 over the condition, he didn’t want to load it back up and take it home. A couple afternoons of scrubbing inside and out, and a nice buffing with Johnson’s paste wax, and the thing cuts beautifully!

On a side note, my dad has an old Craftsman direct drive, aluminum top, that has sat outside, uncovered, in his driveway for +25 years. Thing starts up every time, still cuts reasonably well for the type of saw it is, and hasn’t given him any trouble. I always thought that was odd, since he would damn near kill me if I left a box end wrench sitting on the workbench instead of in the toolbox… =p

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#15 posted 04-08-2012 02:40 PM

When I started back into WW I only had a Craftsman 7” DD saw with alum top. I started looking for a used 10” TS of any make to start with. I rem my son had a saw under his shed that was there when he bought the house 9 yrs ago. He said I could have it but didn’t know if it werked. I brought it home and it looked worse than this one. Cleaned it up and it werks fine now. Is one of the Rockwell/Delta saws with the short microgroove drive belt. I ordered a belt as a spare in case the orig belt broke. I had to do a lot of werk to get the table where wood would slide over it.

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