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Kush

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04-06-2012 02:30 AM

Topic tags/keywords: tablesaw hybrid riving knife

Hello all – I am considering buying my first tablesaw. I am having “analysis paralysis” between the Grizzly G0715P and the new JET proshop with a riving knife (finally). The riving knife is an important feature for me. I was surprised to see the price jump in the new proshop (over $1300!).

Is there anything that you would say would/should justify spending an additional $500 for the JET over the Grizzly? Or should I just put the extra money toward a bench planer…..


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Richard

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#1 posted 04-06-2012 03:25 AM

I know I will hear a lot of feedback on this , but I don’t think the riving knife is that much of a big deal. I used my grandfatherts and fathers tablesaws withou them for many years and never had a problem. My personal take is that some Saftey Enginner came up with the idea that you had to have it or it was not safe. Just my 2cents worth.

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gfadvm

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#2 posted 04-06-2012 03:26 AM

I have had that Grizzly saw for 2 years and really like it. I’d put the $500 down for a Ridgid planer and never look back.

-- " I'll try to be nicer, if you'll try to be smarter" gfadvm

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#3 posted 04-06-2012 07:12 AM

I’d be a little concerned with some of the alignment issues that folks have encountered with the G0715P. The guts of the G0715P are very similar with the Craftsman 21833 and Ridgid R4512, both of which have also had several alignment issues. It’s possible that Grizzly is on top of the situation and has stemmed the flow of defective saws, but it’d be something I’d want some assurances about.

Have you looked into the G0661 or G0713?

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#4 posted 04-06-2012 01:37 PM

Having gone through the alignment question with my G0715P last summer, I talked with Grizzly customer service once a week for about a month concerning what appeared to be the major issue (blade to miter slot parallelism changing with blade height) while they were actively investigating the problem.

After all the adjustments were done, I measured about 0.006-0.007” of variation from full blade height to about 3/4” above the table (Infinity 010-060 blade). Because I think this kind of discussion requires hard numbers, I have excel spreadsheets of the measurements taken at 8 blade heights and that were reproducible to 0.0005” over several tries. To put this in perspective, this is about 1/10th the worst case variation that people have talked about here; that apparently got an immediate return under warranty without question.

While the problem was being actively investigated at their end, Grizzly was initially willing to take the saw back but finally declared mine was within what they accept as normal tolerance for this particular model. Since most of my work is done at blade heights of 3/4” to 1 1/2”, setting the trunnions for good parallelism in this range seemed like a workable plan.

That done, I have used the saw for the last several months with what I regard as generally good results and am mostly pleased with it: since it is not a $3000 cabinet saw, it inevitably involves some compromises but seems to be reasonably well built for the price and cuts reproducibly.

Let me qualify what I’m saying with two things. I am certainly less experienced at woodworking than many here, but for a number of years worked in manipulating objects in the 1 to 5 micron size range, so I have some professional sense of what’s involved in precision work.

I still wonder a bit what generating a similar set of numbers for many saws in real world use would show, though.

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#5 posted 04-06-2012 07:10 PM

It sounds like you have already made up your mind for the Grizzly.
I have an older Jet (Unisaw clone) and am very happy with it. i’ve owned it for over 25 years and feel it’s every bit as good as the Unisaw or the Powermatic. I would consider Jet tools to be top-of-the-line of the imports, (including the Unisaw and Powermatic). That being said, I would put my trust in Jet over Grizzly. I have heard lots of negatives about grizzly lately, but nothing about jet.

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Kush

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#6 posted 04-06-2012 07:28 PM

Thanks to all for the information. I have not yet decided what to do…..

If I do end up spending the extra money for Jet, I want to make sure there is good reason. I really prefer the Jet, maybe because I can see on first hand, but having trouble justifying the extra money to myself.

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Bill White

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#7 posted 04-06-2012 08:29 PM

You’re wearin’ your brain into mush. Griz has pretty darned good stuff for the bucks.
In my opinion, some of the objectives as to measuring to .000—-is a waste of time. It is WOOD, not titanium.
You’ll get some great customer service from the green guys. I know.
My lathe and TS has been all I can ask for the money spent.
Bill

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#8 posted 04-06-2012 08:57 PM

I have the G0175p and love it. It does deflect ever so slightly at full blade height, but I have yet to need to cut anything at full height. It works good on 110v and have recently switched back to 220v and it has not failed me yet.

-- Crashn - the only thing I make more of than sawdust is mistakes

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knotscott

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#9 posted 04-06-2012 09:15 PM

You should be able to find that older style Jet Proshop with no riving knife (708480 or 708482) for less than a $500 premium. IF you get a good G0715P, I’d guess that there’s little or no quality difference between the Jet and Griz. The Griz may even have some advantages (full enclosure), but since several of this particular model (G0715P) have had issues, it’s a concern. I would contact Grizzly’s tech service and see if you can find someone willing to speak candidly about what they’ve done to address the problem.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#10 posted 04-06-2012 09:39 PM

way do you need to be in the 0.006-0.007 range it is wood your dealing with,not rings on a piston or some other parts. I have 14 of the green machines, some are 14 years old ,I am very pleased with them ,the price diff. lets me have some of them that I would not be able to afford all of the ones I have Good luck how ever you deside.
Chuck
Wisconsin-Wood-Chuck

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toolie

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#11 posted 04-06-2012 10:13 PM

as the owner of a jet power tool, my advice is to go with the grizzly. jet of today IN NO WAY WHATSOVER resembles jet of 20-25 years ago. they are price point machines sold by WMH tool group, a marketing machine, that foists substandard power tools at premium prices on uninformed tool snobs. put the $500 towards more tools. it should be possible to CL a good used benchtop 13” planer and 6” jointer for no more than $600 total. you are wasting $500 if you buy the jet.

-- there's a solution to every problem.......you just have to be willing to find it.

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Kush

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#12 posted 04-13-2012 10:54 PM

Took knotscott’s advice and wrote to Grizzly. All they were willing to communicate is that was a known issue and that it was fixed. They would not tell me exactly what the problem was or how they fixed it though….

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knotscott

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#13 posted 04-14-2012 12:02 AM

Any decisions yet?

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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MrRon

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#14 posted 04-14-2012 12:17 AM

I posted earlier my recommendation for the Jet, but at the time I didn’t realize the Jet had stamped steel extensions. That would put me off. I think cast iron extensions are much better.

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#15 posted 04-14-2012 12:34 AM

No.

-- God is great, wood is good. Let us thank Him for wood......and old hand tools.

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