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Dan

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845 days ago

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I am working on my 21st century workbench and have a problem. I have a set of the new Stanley bench chisels. I drilled out most of the waste with a Forster bit but I am stuck on the cleanup. I tried cleaning up the end grain portion of the mortises by chopping with the bench chisel.

I sharpened them with the hollow grind method and they are razor sharp. After I tried the first chop I noticed that the chisel tip basically made little chips in the edge. After the second chop the chips became very large. Am I just using the wrong tool for the job? Is the material just too hard for my bench chisels?

-- Will work for wood...


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#1 posted 845 days ago

I used a couple of mortise chisels on my bench and they worked beautifully. I don’t have experience with Ash, so I can’t speak to that.

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#2 posted 845 days ago

Thanks Brandon. I wonder if bench chisels just can’t handle it.

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#3 posted 844 days ago

you may well have to re-grind and hone once or twice until you get to some good steel. This is a well-known phenomenon wherein the heat-treating does not extend to the very edge. Two other thoughts—try a steeper angle (27-30 degrees), and/or lose the hollow grind. I personally do not hollow grind my chisels—I like the additional steel as edge support. But then, I’m also not a proponent of microbevels.

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#4 posted 844 days ago

I second what Doc said.

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#5 posted 844 days ago

i made my bench with ash; and my standard bench chisels, had no problem taking on the end grain.
so it must be either your steel or not honed enough. i honed my edges to a mirror finish.i use a tormek which is easier to get that mirrored finish.

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#6 posted 844 days ago

Make sure you strop the feather edge off your chisels before you use them. Yes, In a perfect world, You would have a mortice chisel but a bench chisel should work.

-- Don't be in such a hurry, do it right the first time.

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#7 posted 844 days ago

given the type of bench you making I’m guessing you trying not to use power tools? If It were me I would use a templet and a router with a spiral up cut router bit.

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RGtools

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#8 posted 844 days ago

When mortising in havey wood like that I like to have a 35 degree bevel on the edge (and take small but deep bites), if the steal still chips then you can say your temper is messed up.

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#9 posted 844 days ago

I’ll try to re-hone the edges. I’d rather not regrind all of my chisels to 35 degrees just to grind them back to 27 again. I did go get some mortising chisels and things are going much better. I do think that the temper is not all the way up to the edge because even paring I am seeing the edges chipping. I’ll grind them back and resharpen to see if that solves the issue.

-- Will work for wood...

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cabmaker

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#10 posted 844 days ago

27-35 I dont think will make that much differance. Ash is an easy wood to wotk with with most types of cutting instraments. Sounds like yu have a dull chisel. The hollow grind shouldnt hinder the operation at all, so I dont think that is lending itself to the situation at all. Are you sure you ground to a razor sharp edge ? You may want to do some honing by your method of choice.

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#11 posted 844 days ago

Ash isn’t the hardest wood in the world, but it isn’t soft either. I would argue that the chisels aren’t really “razor sharp”, and a steeper angle might help. A few rounds of honing, or a bit of grinding to get past the new edge of your chisels may be the answer. Experiment with one chisel to find out what works rather than regrind them all.

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