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Forum topic by Sawkerf posted 04-03-2012 05:23 PM 1299 views 0 times favorited 17 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Sawkerf

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04-03-2012 05:23 PM

When I tried to respond in his thread, I saw that Poopiecat has blocked me for some reason. Since I can’t post there, I’ll respond here.

As much as we want praise and adulation, others may not share our opinion of our work. They’re then faced with the choice of saying what they actually think – or telling social lies. I don’t post blogs or projects because it’s rare to read anything even slghtly critical in them. Projects that would have struggled to get a C+ in junior high shop class usually get a “Great Job” response.

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.


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#1 posted 04-03-2012 06:08 PM

That’s because the people at LJ’s try to be respectful of everybody. We all know that all of us are not on the same skill level.

-- Life is good.

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#2 posted 04-03-2012 06:30 PM

We all have different takes on this. I feel that it’s good to give encouragement to projects I know I can make better then the person that listed it . I feel it helps spur someone on to try to improve rather than say it looks like crap and have the person feel woodworking is not worth messing with. If you can give encouragement and tactfully suggest improvements that’s the best of both worlds . As Howie put it being respectful towards someones effort.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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#3 posted 04-03-2012 08:36 PM

There’s a huge difference between being respectful and being condescending. A project comment consisting only of “Great Job” could be either.

I’m all for constructive criticism where the discussion includes methods that could have been done differently. Those often lead to passing on some useful information – or talking about constraints that pretty much limited the chioces. “It looks like crap” would never be right.

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.

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#4 posted 04-03-2012 09:57 PM

I guess they will get both approaches if you do it your way and I do it mine. :)) The best of both worlds.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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#5 posted 04-03-2012 10:26 PM

I tend to rate things based on the experience of the person posting it. I know on LJs not everyone says I am a beginner, or I have been at it for 20 years, so sometimes its hard to make a good judgement. Sometimes just reading what they have done and how they did it tells me some of it. When I used to have people reporting to me at work, I gave them their appraisal based on not only their accomplishments, but how well they were doing based on time in the group. The longer in the group, the more I expect. I might rate a beginner higher than someone thats been in the group for a long time simply because for time in the group the beginner is doing quite well, grasping the work, and trying hard, vs someone thats been in the group for years and isnt using their full potential. Having said that, I tend to be more critical of those projects posted by someone that says they have been doing woodworking for years than those that are new at it.

-- Wayne - Plymouth MN

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#6 posted 04-03-2012 10:31 PM

I have participated in many forums over the past several years and quite frankly Lumberjocks is about the only one that doesn’t have some jerk or know it all on there posting ideas which may or may not apply to the question of statement raised or outwardly criticizes a person’s ideas or project. It comes down to respect for other people and quite frankly, the supportive attitude here is refreshing, inviting and makes it well worth the time to participate.

-- Dave in Minnesota - If it ain't broke, improve it!

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#7 posted 04-03-2012 11:02 PM

Well Wayne, The next time I post a project, I’ll try to draw your attention to it so that you can see a screw up by a 30 year woodworker. :-)

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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#8 posted 04-03-2012 11:22 PM

I consider myself a beginner in terms of woodworking, and try to stay within the boundries that I know that fits my limitations…...I don’t try to make projects that are way over my head, so to speak…..I’m more of a Shaker-type person than I am a Queen Anne-type builder…..That’s not the style I like, so I tend to stay away from it…....The easier it is for me, the better I like it…...lol. I’ve always thought of myself as a beginner, and I like to push myself to the betterment of the craft through my projects…..I still get a little shaky when someone wants me to make something for them…...If I keep practicing, I might learn a few things one day…:).......................Luckly, noone has told me that my projects look like crap, or have been critical of my work…........I guess I’m lucky…...............!!!!!

-- At my age, an "all--nighter" is not having to get up and pee...!!!

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#9 posted 04-04-2012 01:38 AM

So, Sawkerf I tried an experiment. I posted a picture of my workbench to the workbench slap down topic. I know it is ugly, messy and old. I acted proud of it and explained how I used it. I also asked “what do you think?”. Not one response. Sometimes no response is worse than either a negative or patronizing response. It all says the same thing but in different ways. Oh well…

-- This is a Troll Free zone.

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#10 posted 04-04-2012 01:55 AM

DKV, I saw that ugly-assed excuse for a workbench, I just didn’t want to hurt your feelings. No, not really, I’ll go look. It’s not the plastic card tables, is it?

-- I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. I'm sorry,thanks.

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#11 posted 04-04-2012 02:08 AM

DKV -
I saw your bench but decided to not say that it was one of the better benches I’ve seen. Not because it was pretty, but because it was obviously functional. I didn’t think that that sort of heresy would sit well with some of the LJ’s who almost obsess about such things. – lol

I’ve never gotten the idea that a workbench should look like a piece of fine furniture. Mine get beaten half to death and I just couldn’t bring myself to using a really pretty one. – lol

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.

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DKV

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#12 posted 04-04-2012 03:02 AM

I love this site and the talent associated with it. I’ve learned a ton. I’ve been on others and they just don’t match up compared to LJ’s. However, just like pretentious wine drinkers woodworkers have a lot in common. Some take it a little too serious. I like honest, truthful feedback. If my project (or workbench) is a piece of crap then tell me so. I can take it. I want to improve not go through life with a false sense of accomplishment. Say it the way it is.
Don

-- This is a Troll Free zone.

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Rick

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#13 posted 04-05-2012 08:01 AM

Good for you Don!

I was “Truthful” in, what I considered a “Polite Way” on a “Newbies” Project Posting about 5 Days ago. I Got CRUCIFIED by other Members on there!! Some of them Posting on here. Also 4 Very NASTY PM’s.

I haven’t been on here since. Just came on now. I think the Post was Removed. NO! I didn’t “Flag” it. BUT! Sorry to say ..I WON’T do it again.

I read somewhere the other day. ”I’d rather have you Hate Me for the THRUTH than Love me for MY LIES.”

AND!! I’ll bet you $5.00 Bucks… MY Workbench is Uglier than BOTH Of YOURS!! ....LOL… So What! It suits me Just Fine! So far It hasn’t interfeared one Ioda? with the Quality of Work I turn out.

Thanks for this Post Sawkerf.

Rick

-- Hope Everyone Is Doing Well! .... Best Regards: Rick

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#14 posted 04-06-2012 02:18 AM

Oh, please.

-- gene@toronto.ontario.canada : dovetail free since '53, critiques always welcome.

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Rick

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#15 posted 04-06-2012 05:49 AM

”Oh, please.”

Don’t you just love this type of “Comment”? Gene knows what He means. Does anyone else?

OH! Maybe it has to do with his “Comment” to ME on the “How about another photo thread”

”I try not to make more than “three critical posts” in a month; that is unless I’m having too many of these.” (“these” Is a Picture of an X-LARGE Glass Of Scotch with Ice on the Top) Hang On for a Minute please. As they say “A Picture Is Worth A Thousands Words”
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Fits in with this Post however. Yes. It was Critical but considering the Source and the Scotch and the Statement above, I chose to humor him and responded as if it was a Joke. AGAIN! So I Blocked him. Who needs the Aggravation?

So. This is how He “Nails Me”, by waiting for My Comment on Someone elses Post.

Gene: Forget the second sentence, now that I know what, or how you mean it.

CHEERS!!

-- Hope Everyone Is Doing Well! .... Best Regards: Rick

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