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Milo

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04-01-2012 12:39 PM

Hey gang,

I know some of you are SketchUp gurus, so I came here to ask.

I downloaded a Pie Safe Sketchup to see what it looked like. It’s a fine image, but WHAT am I supposed to do with it?

Is there a cutlist imbedded in it somewhere? Are there dimensions somewhere in it? Is there any way to tell? Right now, it’s a picture I can click on and highlight parts of the piesafe.

I’ve played with Sketchup a bit, but I had to write in my own dimensions after I printed the picture.

I’m looking for some quick and dirt, “Reader Digest” help here.

Thanks for the help!

Milo

-- Beer, Beer, Thank God for Beer. It's my way of keeping my mind fresh and clear...


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BobLang

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#1 posted 04-01-2012 01:06 PM

Most models on 3D warehouse are just the models, but there are many ways to add dimensions and print the model from any point of view. The most basic is the “Dimension Tool” the icon looks like dimension lines with the number “3”. Select the tool, then click on each end of what you want to dimension to add dimension lines to the model. You can also create “Scenes” which are saved points of view. There is a cutist plugin available that a lot of people like. You can also navigate to an empty area of the model and drag parts into that space from the “Components” window, provided that the modeler made everything a Component. I do that a lot to create detail views or views of parts with relevant dimensions.

Making the model is only the first half of using SketchUp. At that point all the information about the objects is available, and the second half of the process is getting that information back out so you can use it. It’s more involved than can be explained thoroughly in a forum response, but there is a lot of information out there.

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Milo

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#2 posted 04-01-2012 02:02 PM

Thanks Bob. I was very surprised to see it gave me lengths when I used it.

I am going to try the cutlist option to see what it give me.

Thanks!

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Tootles

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#3 posted 04-01-2012 02:06 PM

A few important things to look for in the model:

  • Components: Click on “Window” on the main menu bar and then click on “Components” from the drop down menu. A window will open in which you click on the picture of a house. If the model contains components, they will show in the window below. The idea of components is that they are drawn once, copied a number of times and then any change to any one of the copies occurs in all places.
  • Layers: Somewhere in your toolbars, you may have an icon that looks like an in tray with the letter i in a blue circle. Otherwise, click on “Window” on the main menu bar and then click on “Layers” from the drop down menu. A window will open with a list of layers that may or may not be visible. Layers may contain a number of related components. Copies of components may exist on different layers.
  • Scenes: If scenes have been used, you will see a series of tabs across the top of the model window. The idea of scenes is that certain layers are displayed. You can hide layers containing all components except one, add another layer containing dimensions (for example) and save that as a scene. By creating a series of scenes, you can create a set of diagrams of individual pieces, and more.

It takes a bit of time, but I can recommend the tutorial videos from Chiefwoodworker to get a good understanding of the basics of Sketchup.

-- I may have lost my marbles, but I still have my love of woodworking

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Milo

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#4 posted 04-01-2012 06:11 PM

Bob & Tootles,

Thanks so much for the info. Installing cutlist was INCREDIBLY helpful.

I am going to experiment with the Tools you both suggested also. Thank you for the help.

Milo

-- Beer, Beer, Thank God for Beer. It's my way of keeping my mind fresh and clear...

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Matt Donley

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#5 posted 04-04-2012 12:38 AM

Can you post a link to the model you downloaded? I’d be cautious with any type of cutlist plugin, as I am aware of a couple of them. If the person who created the model did not take the time to set up the model to produce the cutlist, it may not give you the results you’re expecting. Sometimes they are just automated “guesses” of the amount of material needed. Although, I may be wrong.

Judging by your response, it sounds like the cutlist plugin was helpful.

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#6 posted 04-04-2012 12:50 AM

Ya Matt is right..you should really pull the model apart piece by piece…check and see if everything is components…and if they assigned materiel’s to them as well..that can be helpful in differentiating solid wood from plywood…

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Milo

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#7 posted 04-06-2012 01:29 AM

Matt, sorry for the delay getting this posted…

http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=d42488037ccaa3d0f9cf015b515f1d27&prevstart=0

Hope that helps!

-- Beer, Beer, Thank God for Beer. It's my way of keeping my mind fresh and clear...

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Milo

859 posts in 2007 days


#8 posted 04-06-2012 01:32 AM

BTW, Bob or Tootles,

I succeeded in getting the cutlist made, but I was wondering another thing.

When you highlight an item, is there a way to get detailed info on the individual item (rather than a multi-piece component?)

Right mouse clicking and then hitting “entity info” did not give me acute info. I was looking for item name, dimension, ect.

Thanks!

-- Beer, Beer, Thank God for Beer. It's my way of keeping my mind fresh and clear...

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Milo

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#9 posted 04-06-2012 02:04 AM

OK, very cool discovery (and I’m just writing this in that I hope it helps others).

Just discovered you can make individual cutlists for eash Layer of the total object.

That makes constructions and cutting piece a WHOLE lot easier.

-- Beer, Beer, Thank God for Beer. It's my way of keeping my mind fresh and clear...

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Tootles

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#10 posted 04-06-2012 04:49 AM

Milo

The model that you posted has only one component defined, and that is a “square” (similar to a framing square) that is not actually used in the pie safe. You can see this between looking at the Components list (Main menu, Window, Components) and the statistics listed in the model info.

The model has only two layers. Layer 0 contains the pie safe plus dimensions. The second layer, Const Lines, contains only guide lines used to construct the pie safe.

Essentially what you have is a concept drawing containing basic dimensions and proportions – though even some of those you need to obtain for yourself using the dimension tool in Sketchup. Okay, so I’ve never used a cut list tool, but how it would get a cut list off that drawing, I do not know.

Everybody has a different solution to every problem, but if I were faced with having to make that pie safe, I would be starting from scratch creating a new drawing myself, using components, layers and scenes along the way. That would also require you to decide and draw the details of the joints that you will be using in the final item, plus all the internal detail that is lacking in the model that you posted.

Now, to answer your question from two posts above, each individual item should be drawn and defined as a separate component (not done in the model downloaded). Since all instances of a component are identical in every way except name, you do generally deal with comopnents, not individual items. However, to get the names of the individual components you can either go to “entity Info” or you can go to Main Menu, Window, Outliner. That provides a list of instances of components by name and with component type shown next to it.

As for dimensions etc, cut list software may be able to do this, but otherwise you need to put (copies of) components into scenes and add dimensions as needed.

A slightly long reply, but I hope it helps.

-- I may have lost my marbles, but I still have my love of woodworking

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Milo

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#11 posted 04-06-2012 01:58 PM

Tootles,

That’s weird… My sketchup has 7 layers to it, and it is the same one I downloaded. Maybe I don’t understand layers properly… ? Are those PARTS of the layer? I figured out how to make cutlists from each layers section, which I think is a big help.

I was hoping there was a way to “quick look up” individual piece dimensions, but I understand what you are saying.

From scratch…. me… hahahaha! No, at this point I only want to build things that will actually turn out, so I’m sticking plans for a while ‘til I build my confidence back up.

Thank

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Tootles

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#12 posted 04-06-2012 02:33 PM

Milo,

It could be a problem or incompatability that I have when I download that leaves me with only the two layers. I have downloaded both the Version 5 & Version 6 files to check with the same result. I am running the current version of Sketchup (8.0.11752).

Pity. It would help if I could see exactly what you see.

-- I may have lost my marbles, but I still have my love of woodworking

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Tootles

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#13 posted 04-08-2012 01:17 AM

Milo

Have a look at this post, you may find it useful.

-- I may have lost my marbles, but I still have my love of woodworking

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Milo

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#14 posted 04-09-2012 11:49 PM

Tootles,

What I see, in the Layers box, are 7 boxes available, the top box labeled Layer 0, then 7 boxes below, each labeled for a different part of the cabinets (ie. Front, Drawers, etc.)

On a completely different front, I was wondering, is there a too for dividing a model in half, vertically or horizontally? Seems like that would be useful.

Isn’t that exactly what is being shown in the picture on the post page you linked to above? The Dimension tool? Once you’ve done that (split it in half), can you SAVE the model that way?

(Hour or so later) OK, I succeeded in using the Dimension, Section Plane and Move tools to cut the cabinet in half VISUALLY. My Question: Can I somehow SAVE the half a cabinet as a UNIQUE project? Basically erasing the half that was removed when I sectioned it away?

Does that make sense?

Thanks!

-- Beer, Beer, Thank God for Beer. It's my way of keeping my mind fresh and clear...

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Tootles

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#15 posted 04-10-2012 01:07 AM

The tool to divide the cabinet in half so that you can see the insides is called the “section plane” tool. It iis on the walkthrough toolbar. I haven’t used it much so have a look at the help and just play around until you see what you like.

You can save views of the model using scenes (refer to my first reply above). You can have many scenes saved for a single model so you do not need to save the file over and over again.

-- I may have lost my marbles, but I still have my love of woodworking

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