Sawstop (i know , i know) not again!

A lot of people with swallow an endless amount of crap, if it is supposed to protect them. They tell themselves that it is okay. If we save one single life, it is worth it. No it’s not.The one thing on earth that is over-abundant, is people. Six billion is more than enough. We try to make sure that the stupidest among us survive to reproduce. Every tall building with roof access, has to have an unclimbable fence to keep idiots from falling off. Smart people stay back away from the edge, they don’t even need a warning. A waist high hand rail is plenty, to make sure no one accidently steps off the edge. However, we have to erect a 12 foot fence with barbed wire, and morons still fall off. Personally, I would put up a diving board and stage a competition. Pay your entry fee and take your turn. The best, most stylish dive wins the pot, land in the dumpster for bonus points. Just name your next of kin so I can make out the check. We could put it on Fox and have viewers call in and vote. We won’t even have auditions, everyone can play. The more people that play, the bigger the pot gets, enticing more idiots to buy a ticket. Just like the lottery. Steve Gass took a differenent approach. He convinced you that you are all stupid, and you need to but a “fence” from him, to keep you safe from yourself. His way, everyone feels safe, we have more idiots than ever before, and he gets rich. My way, we have a great new TV show, a steadily diminishing surplus of morons, and I get rich. In case you think I’m joking, well, not so much. Mail me 20 bucks right now, and I’ll put you at the head of the line.

-- I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. I'm sorry,thanks.

The people who really find saw stops valuable are people who have seen the other side. I just cannot afford one? Economics is the world’s current dividing line?

One trip to the hospital? The pain of the injury and the bills? The saw stop would probably be considered worth the cost, after this kind of experience.

At present I just “HAVE TO” be deliberate around sharp, powerful tools.

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

Yes there are idiots out there, and history has shown that every time you make something idiot proof, they improve the idiot. As to the question at hand, while in general I favor personal freedom over regulation, is this a case a bit like seat belts in cars?

-- Don, Royersford, PA

I guess some folks need to keep addressing this subject over and over but IMO people who are for it and can afford A SS will buy one and those people who think their being forced into something and that the extra safety is not necessary won’t. end of story

-- W James Brokenbourgh Custom furniture maker http://artisticwoodstudio.com/

+1 Jim….

-- Just because you’ve always done it that way doesn’t mean it’s not incredibly stupid.

It is exactly like seat belts. The only reason I wear one is because I have to talk to cops when I don’t. Cars are safer if you are wearing a seatbelt in a crash. I totally agree. Saw stops are much safer when you stick your finger in it. I also agree with that. The difference is my table saw will never come come out of nowhere and crash into my finger. That’s all on me. I don’t need the government to protect me from myself. If I am unable to do that I should die before I have more kids. They’ll probably be stupid too.

-- I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. I'm sorry,thanks.

I usually stay out of this fight.

I always wear my seat belt, always did before and don’t need no law. My choice and choose to do it.

Same thing with SS, should be my choice. I also don’t like the cost it adds to table saws. Could put them out of reach to some. That is wrong.

Government want’s to mandate it then they should subsidize the cost, net zero increase to consumers. But yeah I know we’d be paying anyway.

I do have a concern with saws that have it and people that use them, could lead to or amplify complacency. Not good.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

The only part of the original post I have concern with is the validity of the events at that meeting with the industry giants. Yes, he did present them with the opportunity to license his device … I’m not sure what the royalty request was, so I can’t opine as to whether it was fair or not … the “industry” unanimously shut him out, standing in solidarity against his device. Then, and only then did he design a great saw around the device and bring it to market.

Now … if he offered it to the industry and they rejected it on merit … that’s one thing … BUT … it appears they rejected it based on the fact that it might cost them a few $$$$ to implement it … and, for THAT they should be ashamed. They thought they could ignore him and he would just go away … little did they know just who/what they were dealing with, and now, it’s coming back to bite them. I think the recent lawsuit was a joke … BUT … even if the operator was an idiot (he is) the device would have reduced or eliminated his injury, and Makita would be bragging about how they adopted this wonderful technology, saving this man’s career and his ability to earn a living. Mr. Gass didn’t file this lawsuit … he only testified that he made the technology available and demonstrated it to Makita, and that they rejected it. The jury decided that since Makita was aware that the technology existed that they should have implemented it or developed something similar on their own.

Now, there is little doubt that greed is involved in this whole debate … but just who is the greedy party ??? That, you will have to decide on your own.

-- - dabbling in sarcasm is foolish … if you’re not proficient at it, you end up looking stupid … ... ...

The way I figure it saw stop has saved more hot dogs than fingers.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

”The problem is that one side thinks the government should control everything in our lives ”

That’s peculiar.

I know lots of people on all sides of the political spectrum, but not a SINGLE ONE who believes that.

It’s hard to preach peace, and then lob grenades, isn’t it ?

-- -- Neil

There’s a fatal flaw in the plan to make a mint by getting the gub’ment to require SS….

The gub’ment moves at the speed of a snail and patents expire in 7 years.

SS has been around for quite a while now, and it will be available for a modest upcharge in just a few more years.

It’s quite interesting to read up on the history of patent law. If I understand correctly, many of the founding fathers were dead set against it, and the power to issue patents was ascribed to the Federal gub’ment as part of a compromise.

The system has become broken in a bad way and the patent trolls and lawyers are a huge impediment to many advances in technology.

-- Matt, Pine is fine, but Oak's no joke!

ssnvet:

From my internet searches a patent is good for 20 years, not 7.

http://www.business-analysis-made-easy.com/How-Long-Is-A-Patent-Good-For.html

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

I got that number from a program that talked about patented drugs… perhaps that is different, or perhaps they were talking about extensions….

If it’s twenty years, I guess we’ll have to wait a little longer then….. :^)

-- Matt, Pine is fine, but Oak's no joke!

The issue here is not Gass, nor Osorio, but our courts and gov’t. Please read this for details on the case, and notice two things: Osorio had never operated a tablesaw, and he removed two safety features, one of which I don’t think any of us would ever operate without.

http://www.jacksonkelly.com/jk/pdf/law360%20products%20liability%20nov.%202011%20guest%20column,%20floyd%20and%20hart.pdf

-- Wish I were Norm's Nephew

I thought what made America great was our ability to drive innovation and competition ? Let someone else come up with a new or alternative away to stop a spinning blade. Patents protect intellectual property, but it’s really only those who have the money to protect that patent who prevail. Laws are made for the common people , not the elected officials or lawyers who create and pass them.