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David Craig

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857 days ago

Topic tags/keywords: site feedback community personalities

Nope, and it isn’t supposed to…

I have been monitoring the forums off and on quite a bit lately. And themes that come up quite frequently (aside from the constant political flaming) are complaints that the site has changed, along with a slew of requests to Martin to add some nifty feature to channel out the bad and only keep the good. (By the way Martin, if you ever develop such an ingenious device, don’t make it a free feature. MAKE US PAY FOR IT! :) But lets take a time out here and consider some unavoidable truths.

1. The site is different now and it will constantly change. – As soon as you joined lumberjocks, guess what? The site changed. All the dynamics have been altered because there is a new and different element. It can be good, bad, or just plain indifferent but, like it or not, the site has changed and will never be the way it was before you came aboard.

2. We are a community. Go into any town and you will find an assortment of characters – likeable drunks, unlikeable drunks, contemplative and silent individuals, loud and boisterous folks who don’t know when to keep their mouths shut, as well as loud and fun people who make the place entertaining. Tell any of these people to keep their opinions to themselves and you have a community war until people get their angst out and start using their heads again. This place is no different. Deal with it.

3. None of us own this site individually but we all own it collectively. Simple as that. This is my site. But, it is also your site and the site of the person whose blog or forum you are reading. Everyone can leave their fingerprint and that is the way it should be.

Now I know that some people think I am trying to lecture and say “play nice.” Nope, play as dirty as you want to. I know enough to take in what I can glean and discard the rest. I know that my own influence can be negative or positive depending on how it is taken and my own sense of discretion at the time. What I am using is my own voice, my own influence, and adding these words to the millions of sentences already out there. Just the way that I feel it should be.

Thanks Martin and Debbie for your efforts to make this place a melting pot of ideas. We can scoop out the slag on our own.

David

-- There is little that is simple when it comes to making a simple box.


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intheshop

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#1 posted 857 days ago

Well said, David. But I do wish folks would stop the “political flaming.” This is where I come to get away from that stuff.

-- Cole - Rydal, GA

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Redcloud

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#2 posted 857 days ago

Well put and so true. Great site despite or because of!

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patron

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#3 posted 857 days ago

good points david

as long as everyone is free
to be themselves
and shine in their own colors

things are good and interesting

if all the colors just mush together
(through control)

they all turn brown
and dull

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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David Craig

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#4 posted 857 days ago

As William Blake wrote- “The crow wished everything was black, the Owl, that everything was white”

-- There is little that is simple when it comes to making a simple box.

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BlankMan

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#5 posted 857 days ago

Just curious what brought this on. Can’t say I’ve noticed a lot of flaming or what ever. But then again I only read what topics interest me.

Did catch wind of one the other day where someone said they were leaving, I did go check out the guilty thread. Did see the antagonist, made a metal note of him on my ignore list. And moved on. Others may rub me the wrong way, I move on. You will never change anyone’s mind here, you will never win an argument here, except in you own mind. Move on.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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David Craig

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#6 posted 857 days ago

intheshop – I don’t like flaming either but I acknowledge my own ability to read or not read the commentary and recognize my own influence in such things. I can be (within my own mind) the voice of reason and/or I can ignore the insanity. When the language is harsh and cruel, I don’t believe that anyone is really trying to change an opinion but voice out their own discontent. If that helps them concentrate better in the shop, so be it. I will play along :)

-- There is little that is simple when it comes to making a simple box.

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MJCD

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#7 posted 857 days ago

As with any community – thank you. David – there need to be guidelines, and sometimes rules. Something like, anyone guilty of political framing should be dis-member’d (interesting term).

I belong to enough sites – excellent sites, like this – to see politics and agendas sprout in many forms: can we just confine ourselves to WOODWORKING, and the tools, procedures, and skills related thereto?

MJCD

-- Lead By Example; Make a Difference

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David Craig

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#8 posted 857 days ago

There is no specific event Curt that triggered my post. I have been here for a few years and notice waves of hostility that rise and fall. If you haven’t noticed the flaming, I don’t consider it a bad thing and feel no need to direct you there :) Things get out of the centralized theme here. I don’t consider that a bad thing though. I have work friends I might share a beer with and the shop talk will drift to other things. As long as someone doesn’t grab my shoulders, slam me against a wall, and tell me that I have to hear something, I am pretty tolerant of even the most ridiculous opinions. As long as there is the right to speak, the right to listen, and the right to not listen and walk away, I am good. Unfortunately, controlled communication will inadvertently take one of those rights away.

-- There is little that is simple when it comes to making a simple box.

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knotscott

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#9 posted 857 days ago

Definitely insightful and true…..also true of other wwing forums I frequent…..heck, it’s true wherever there are people!

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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BlankMan

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#10 posted 857 days ago

Oh, David, just realized something, wasn’t telling you to move on, sorry if it came across that way. That was just a generic statement for everybody, if something bugs you, ignore it, let it go, move on… Use ones energies and time in a more positive constructive way.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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David Craig

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#11 posted 857 days ago

You are fine Curt your post reinforced the point. All good :)

-- There is little that is simple when it comes to making a simple box.

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BlankMan

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#12 posted 857 days ago

Thanks David, that was my point. LOL

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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a1Jim

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#13 posted 857 days ago

David
I’ve been noting your post more and more lately and I like the post I’ve seen,they always seem to be right on point and simply stated(very good in my case) but thoughtful and insightful as is this post. All of your points given here make sense to me .

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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woodrookieII

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#14 posted 857 days ago

I joined this site because it’s a wood workers site.

There are other venues for those things that are not wood related, so I go there if I choose to.

But I come here for wise wood words. And there are plenty of those here.

And for that I thank you all.

....rookieII

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john

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#15 posted 857 days ago

I couldn,t give a rats ass about politics . I,m not here to discuss or read long winded conversations about the government and how much they suck .
I am here for woodworking . I eat, live and breathe woodworking !
I was born around woodworking and i will die around woodworking . :-)

-- John in Belgrave (Website) http://www.extremebirdhouse.com , http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=112698715866

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