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Forum topic by thedude50 posted 03-18-2012 06:18 AM 2452 views 0 times favorited 92 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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thedude50

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03-18-2012 06:18 AM

Will California be the first state to legislate well i just got this from MY Friends at Delta this could be a blow to our freedom and more government control. The powerful Saw Stop May be the only benefactor or maybe you will save a limb choose your side people the table saw war has just had the first shot and it wasn’t across the bow it went right to the California legislature.

LEGISLATIVE ACTION ADVISORY
Many of you have heard about and voiced your opinion in various forums and postings regarding the potential requirement for “Flesh Detecting Technology” on every table saw. Recently, a bill that would REQUIRE this technology on every table saw sold in California (AB 2218 Table Saw Safety Act) was introduced in the California Assembly by Assemblyman Das Williams (D- Santa Barbara).

If you are not in favor of this movement to control your table saw choices, now is the time to voice your concerns to Assemblyman Williams (http://asmdc.org/members/a35/) and the other members of the California Assembly (http://192.234.213.69/amapsearch/). As you have seen in many cases before, California legislative decisions quickly pass to other states, and most products are designed for national distribution, so if this law passes, it may affect the design of products sold in every state.

Even if you aren’t in California, California needs to hear from you!

Information regarding a similar proposed CPSC Rule can be found on the Power Tool Institute’s website at http://www.powertoolinstitute.info/ which is in addition to this proposed California action and being raised in Washington. This site allows you to voice your opinion regarding the CPSC rule but it is not connected to the proposed California action. The deadline for submitting comments about the CPSC rule is March 16, 2012. i just checked ant it is still accepting your input but hurry

pm me if you want a copy of the bill in a pdf format or email me at lance@thisoldworkshop.com

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Joe Lyddon

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#1 posted 03-18-2012 06:24 AM

Wouldn’t surprise me!

Our idiots are Second to None!

Damn bastards!

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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thedude50

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#2 posted 03-18-2012 06:38 AM

yes joe they know other manufactuers are going to make safe saws they just dont want us to choose and if the boys at saw stop really cared they would stop their planed lawsuit against whirlwind

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HamS

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#3 posted 03-18-2012 10:21 AM

I think if the technology is so valuable that it needs to be mandated as required, then the state should exercise its power of emminent domain, condem and sieze the patent and place it in the public domain. That would be the only fair way to do it. But, California is broke, and no one really cares about fair in the legislative process so on we go.

-- My mother named me Hamilton, I have been trying to earn my nickname ever since.

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Craftsman on the lake

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#4 posted 03-18-2012 10:59 AM

Years ago a group of idiots in California lobbied for all references of Darwin to be removed from textbooks. Since California purchases a huge percentage of textbooks, book publishers just made them all the same for the rest of the country. If California does this, then you’ll see safety options on saws in every state. But for other states if will probably be an option.

To look at it in another way. If it is mandated, it might be impetus enough for other saw manufacturers to finally care about their customers and design their own safety mechanisms. I’m sure there are other ways of doing it that wouldn’t infringe on Sawstops patent rights.

-- The smell of wood, coffee in the cup, the wife let's me do my thing, the lake is peaceful.

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HamS

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#5 posted 03-18-2012 12:15 PM

The market place is speaking. If you want a recent example of what happens when you ignore the voice of the market place, you need look no furthur than North Korea.

-- My mother named me Hamilton, I have been trying to earn my nickname ever since.

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BigYin

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#6 posted 03-18-2012 12:23 PM

For HamS
..My mother named me Hamilton,
I have been trying to earn my nickname ever since…

People call me Shorty …Iain Hamilton Short

-- ... Never Apologise For Being Right ...

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Loren

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#7 posted 03-18-2012 01:00 PM

I doubt the bill will pass but its introduction doesn’t surprise
me at all. Questions will quickly arise about the onerous
costs of retooling for manufacturers… not that there are
many table saws made in the states anymore.

-- http://lawoodworking.com

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buffalosean

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#8 posted 03-18-2012 01:17 PM

I like Colbert’s take:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/408216/february-13-2012/people-who-are-destroying-america---sawstop

-- There are many ways to skin a cat...... but, the butter knife is not recommended

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EEngineer

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#9 posted 03-18-2012 02:20 PM

Yep! Colbert is funny. Just a little one-sided.

Why doesn’t he address just how much Gass is going to make on this? Why doesn’t he address the endless litigation that Gass has supported to force manufacturers into adopting his technology? Why didn’t he look at the lobbying effort Gass has paid for with his own money?

(Associated Press, 25 May 2011)
Stephen Gass, the inventor of the SawStop technology that safety advocates would like to see on table saws, has retained Pamela Gilbert, a former executive director at the CPSC, to lobby for a saw safety rule that could help make Gass wealthy. Gass, of Tualatin, Ore., paid Gilbert $20,000 over a two-month period in the first quarter of the year.

This kind of revolving-door politician-to-lobbyist job-hopping is exactly what is wrong with Washington today. Why the hell didn’t Colbert mention any of that?

Fact is, it sounds like Gass wrote this little skit for Colbert. It portrays him as Gass always portrays himself: the little guy fighting for lost fingers against the greedy corporations. In fact, he is an opportunist, hoping to get rich via a government mandated fiat for all manufacturers of table saws to use his technology.

-- "Find out what you cannot do and then go do it!"

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waho6o9

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#10 posted 03-18-2012 02:46 PM

Brilliant

Double digit Unemployment, House market tanking, energy prices rising, easier to get welfare than building permits, water turned off in central Ca. to protect some stupid fish resulting in higher produce prices and unemployment, and no new refineries being built.

And they wonder why businesses leave the State of Ca., over 200 last year.

And libtards and stupid rinos have a plan, you guessed it, raise taxes. Brilliant.

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Bill White

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#11 posted 03-18-2012 03:05 PM

I can remember when Joan Claybrooke (former Sec. of Transportation) tried to mandate seatbelts for motorcycles. Same mindset.
Everyone wants to save me from myself.
Bill

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#12 posted 03-18-2012 03:53 PM

Capitalism: the worst economic system in the world.
Except for all the others.

-- -- Neil

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Joe Lyddon

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#13 posted 03-18-2012 05:38 PM

I just wish California & Government in General would stop BUTTING into every aspect of our lives “to make it better”!

If they spent more time on removing unneeded regulations & licenses, obscene pension plans & salaries, stop wasting tax money, making it better for Businesses to be started & function, caring more about People than insects & small animals, etc. instead of removing needed functions in order to improve lives… and STOP BUTTING into our lives, our Country would be a better place to really LIVE!

For God’s sake everyone in their right mind:
... KNOWS how dangerous a Table Saw is!
... KNOWS how to be careful and to use it SAFELY!
... KNOWS how to operate it in a Safe manner in order to avoid terrible accidents!
... KNOWS there is a SAWSTOP available…
......what it can do… and how much it costs…
......and whether they can afford to BUY it!

Give US a little credit! We are really NOT stupid! We probably know more about our table saws than YOU DO! You see the blade spinning, sharp as a razor, etc. and just FREAK OUT to see it turned on!

We DO NOT FREAK OUT in using it… We know what it is and how to use it!

Get OFF our Backs and simply LEAVE US ALONE…

LET US continue to have THE CHOICE in the matter…

BUTT OUT!

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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Craftsman on the lake

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#14 posted 03-18-2012 06:59 PM

For God’s sake everyone in their right mind:
... KNOWS how dangerous a Table Saw is!
... KNOWS how to be careful and to use it SAFELY!
... KNOWS how to operate it in a Safe manner in order to avoid terrible accidents!

True but there are still 40,000 table saw accidents a year.

For God’s sake everyone in their right mind:
... KNOWS how dangerous a car without seatbelts is!
... KNOWS how to be careful and wear their seatbelts!
... KNOWS how to operate it in a Safe manner in order to avoid terrible accidents!

Yet we have laws making us wear them. And lives are saved. There are 50,000 car accident deaths/year. Nearly as many as table saw accidents.

-- The smell of wood, coffee in the cup, the wife let's me do my thing, the lake is peaceful.

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Joe Lyddon

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#15 posted 03-18-2012 07:36 PM

Let’s Save more lives…

OK, then Laws should be changed to force automobiles to be built that cannot Crash into things and KILL people.
... like huge rubber Bumpers all the way around it… Like Bumper cars!

Cars should NOT be allowed to run into other cars or anything else that will KILL OTHER people.

We cannot allow people to get killed AT ALL from cars anymore…

We must remove ALL Risk from driving a car OR being around them so they can hit us.

Hitting anyone with a car should NOT be allowed.

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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