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Dallas

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03-17-2012 05:30 PM

Topic tags/keywords: humor finishing refurbishing scroll work veneering joining gluing

For years I used Elmers carpenters glue or hide glue.
Later I used Titebond, TB II and TB III.
Now days I use Gorilla Wood Glue for almost everything when joining chunks of cellulose together.

Lately I’ve been wanting to get into some veneering and have looked into vacuum gluing with a catalyst glue.

I have a nice vacuum compressor that came from a nearly new refrigerator that one nice young camper messed up by driving a screw completely through the freon lines in about 4 places. The fridge wasn’t more than a day old and after testing the compressor, I’m certain it will do what I need for awhile.

Does anyone have any insight on using making vacuum bags, using vacuum bags, types of catalyst glue, how long to pull the vacuum, etc?

Alternatively, On the Gorilla wood glue bottle, it states that the glue will respond well to radio wave curing. Would this be a viable alternative? I have a pretty cool old Transmitter, LOL, I think it was new when Marconi was in short pants.

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waho6o9

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#1 posted 03-17-2012 05:40 PM

http://www.joewoodworker.com/

Here’s a start. I’ve been wanting to do the vacuum press as well. Let’s us know how it turns out for you.

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Dallas

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#2 posted 03-17-2012 06:03 PM

Waho6o9,

Thanks, that is an interesting website. I’ll be digging into it a lot deeper.

-- Improvise.... Adapt...... Overcome!

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#3 posted 03-17-2012 06:55 PM

I’ve got a lot of Joe’s stuff, mostly connection fittings and stuff. Good place for finding a lot of the things one needs. I currently have one 4’ square bag that I use and a Thomas dual cylinder pump that I set up on an old compressor tank so that when I’m ready to pull the vacuum I have a good head start due to the tank and don’t have to wait for the pump to pull it down itself.

As for glue, I pretty much use Elmer’s yellow glue, hasn’t failed me yet. And for bags, I’ve been eyeing some up on Joe’s website when I’ll need one to fit something mine won’t. Maybe they can be made but too many times I thought I could make something better/cheaper and it turned out a waste of time and money. So now I really take that into consideration, make or buy. I’d rather be making wood chips then fabricating plastic bags. :-)

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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#4 posted 03-17-2012 07:01 PM

I had to look it up, I started out with this kit that I picked up at Woodcraft, it did OK, and it looks like they still carry it. I waited till I got a gift certificate (Christmas) and Woodcraft had a 10% off sale on everything before I went and bought it. That made the expenditure a bit less painful and the price was less when I got it, had it quite some time now.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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#5 posted 03-17-2012 07:17 PM

Dallas, on the subject of the Gorilla glue. It’s a good glue for joinery, but it will swell when used on table tops. I had a couple of tops I had to redo with TB III. It won’t swell like the Gorilla glue.

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#6 posted 03-17-2012 08:14 PM

tenontim:

Gorilla Wood glue is a PVA glue, not the foamy urethane icky stuff. It is OK stuff (though not sure how different it is from Elmer’s or ither PVA.)

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tenontim

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#7 posted 03-18-2012 02:02 AM

David, it’s like TBI or II and it will swell when used for edge joining board, ie, table tops. I don’t use the polyurethane glue, except to seal the ends of outdoor furniture legs.

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Dallas

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#8 posted 03-18-2012 01:14 PM

Thanks Gents!

I am aware of how any of the pva’s can swell. That is something that would need to be dealt with in some way.

Right now I’m just weighing the options to see what is out there and how much difficulty I would encounter.

I would like to be able to make panels, which seems pretty straight forward and I would also like to be able to apply veneer molding. Is this possible?

-- Improvise.... Adapt...... Overcome!

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#9 posted 03-18-2012 01:39 PM

I’ve done veneering using Elmer’s yellow glue spreading it with a roller so that it’s thin then clamping it in a vacuum press and have never run into any problems due to swelling.

In fact Tommy Mac had an episode “Veneered Coffee Table With Metal Frame” where he veneered using what looked like yellow glue, rolling it on, and clamped it with clamps and cauls. Not that I’m a Tommy Mac fan, he’s not as in depth showing how to do stuff as Norm was, but he did it in conjunction with someone that was considered knowledgeable on the subject so I doubt they’d show it as a way to do something that was not a good way to do it.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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#10 posted 03-18-2012 05:52 PM

Dallas, right now the only veneering that I do is with the iron on method. http://lumberjocks.com/tenontim/blog/8856 Don’t think it would be feasible for a panel larger than about 3 or 4 square feet. Might work for applying veneer molding.

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