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Topic tags/keywords: doors fretwork

My laptop crashed about three weeks ago . I do not like desktops . I cannot chop garlic and listen to Yellowstone P.Radio while drinking wine and also sending e-mails and playing “rat maze” at the same time. You have to be standing up for that , at least I do .
I laid out some dementioned 1×4x1/4 ” oak and did all the oak leaf motif layout . Design paper glued to the
oak . Next , drilled a few hundred 1/8 ” starter holes . Ready to cope . After a few hundred relief cuts of the interior persuasion ,you will start to learn how to turn the angle of the blade with yor thumbs quickly between diff. angled cuts and move more acurately and quickly . As you progress you find that re threading is just as fast as with a scroll saw . Can you cut as fast a scroll saw? , nahh , nope . But if I’m doing 4ft. long pcs. I prefer to clamp the work and move the blade . Plus I don’t have a scroll saw at this time, that helps .

.................... So. cutiing this solid 1/4 inch thick oak one by fours . Everything went pretty smooth. Had some tearout on a stile , which i had to re-do , and added about another 9 1/2 hours to the time it took to finish both overlays of this wine glass cabinet . Total of 123 1/2 hours of coped interior cuts . A lot of sore muscles . alot of soaking your hands in hot water at the end of the day , not mention soaking one’s tonge with some brandy at the end of the day . After about 60 hrs. into cutting ,I started to question why I was actually doing this . Oh yeah, I wanted to not deal with the vibration from that scrollsaw over that length
of time . Oh yeah, I wanted some nice quite time to cut oak and zone out .Oh, yeah,I don’t have a scroll saw . And by’zone out’ I mply you should be So comfortable with your technique after a while that It becomes more automatic and you can think of other things while concentrating at the same time on the work.

.......................I’m glad it’s over for the overlays of these doors . What a workout that was . Insane .
I will not be using handles or hinges on this cabinet . I need to get the laptop fixed so I don’t do crazy stuff like this . Making the doors and gluing on the overlays will be childs’ play after facing my marathon with the cope ING! Saw . I’m in noooooooo hurry to start those doors, nope . I feel really healthy , though . If you haven’t tried copeing or ‘fret work’ , and would like to try some thing that is quiet and mediatative , this is it .
If you start doing it for many hours each day, its easy . Push Pull , push pull …..just that easy ( right !)
Woodworking takes us to some strange places ,ummmm.


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#1 posted 895 days ago

I don’t think so. I have a coping saw, and a scroll saw. I don’t, however, have a twelve hour attention span. It went the way of the Dodo bird, long ago. I used to exercise my short term memory every time a commercial break came . I’d try to remember what the hell I was watching, before it comes back on. You keep yourself sharp that way. With a DVR, I record every thing and fast forward through the commercials, and now I can’t remember shit. Damned technology. Oh, yeah, that reminds me, Fix your laptop.

-- I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. I'm sorry,thanks.

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#2 posted 895 days ago

Memory is overated Randy . Thanks for the reminder !

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#3 posted 895 days ago

Thanks for asking . How do I clamp it ? OK . I have a kitchen table that is expandeble to make room for a leaf.
I simply expanded the tabe , clamped the 1×4 with spring clamps and worked in the open space provided
by pulling the table apart. I keep the handle on bottom ,thread blades from the bottom ,teeth down, Right hand on handle and lever , left hand on top with index finger and thumb aside the top lever , or vice-versa . Full travel on the SS blades will mean you will use all the teeth along the cutting length which you gives you a little longer blade life . But at this many hours you are going to use a large amount of blades anyway . I found that sometimes I would start getting tired , and during those times I found myself changing to a new blade every 15 – 20 min. , just to make it easier .

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#4 posted 895 days ago

That’s an interesting question . As far as blade size goes, i used # 7s . And a lot of them . I made a point to buy in bulk ( still didn’t order enough ). The only thing on my laptop are picture files , all of which are backed up ,except for my portfolio and a lot of stuff down loaded from LJs and Rezbaderevo , oddly enough . I hope all that stuff is recoverable . I bought a dell from the Goodwill Computer Store and they will charge me a
flat rate of 50$ to fix , if fixable. Should be OK . That’s not in the budgit at this time . ummmm .I am still wondering if that 10.0 Foxfire upgrade that I downloaded was bogus ? I also wonder if there is some Elf out there with a miniature grinding wheel and he or she re grinds all those dull SS blades , and that i could buy them for 5 cents a peice .

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#5 posted 895 days ago

Sorry, I can’t be much help. I’m 3 inches too tall to be an elf, and my fingers are too fat. I can only grind those big jig saw blades. I can make you a deal on those.

-- I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. I'm sorry,thanks.

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#6 posted 895 days ago

Thanks for asking . No , I don’t do sketch up ,all my designs start out with regular typing paper and a pencil ,sometimes a calculator ,or maybe a
large sheet of brown paper and charcoal pencil , maybe white ink on black construction paper , magic marker on posterboard , wheat toast with Tastiscity jam, whatever . : )

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#7 posted 895 days ago

Thanks for the offer ,Randy . I will keep it in mind . ; )

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#8 posted 895 days ago

Is it a secret? Is this daydreaming work? Can we have a picture? And not of the dull #7.

-- gene@toronto.ontario.canada : dovetail free since '53, critiques always welcome.

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#9 posted 895 days ago

I just had to tell Randy to switch to decaf. Now I’m going to have to tell you to stay away from the bad acid. :-)

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#10 posted 895 days ago

Sure , I’ll post some pictures . Just wanted to knock out the overlays right off the bat, because
that can get boring . Also , no power tools til summer . So it was something I could get started on
now . Will post it when it’s finished . Middle of July . No daydreaming . I can tell you what a “bad trip”
is though , It’s not having a woodworking shop for over a year . The winds have changed . Maybe
I can regain some sanity . This is a boring post , right ? I am glad to be making some progress after all
these months . Thanks for the comments .

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#11 posted 894 days ago

@ scrollsawers at large : I am going to link back to this thread when I post this cabinet in projects . To conclude , I started this project with design and layout and transfer on 26 linear

feet of oak . The actual cutting time was over 123 hours . Every square inch has been carved out using a coping saw and a small round file . Each door will be approx. 4 ft. x 18 in. x 1 in. This will probably be the

most linear cabinet that I will finish up in the last half of 2012 . I could have waited and done the overlays ,but since i don’t have a scroll saw at this time and since I haven’t done something like this in about ten years , I decided to give it a go . roots .

Perhaps my walter mitty personae has followed me here , or that there is just not that much interest in doing
scroll work with a coping saw ? One main thing that provided me the impetus to tackle this was when I
read that an LJ hand plane guru had come into some very fine wormy hardwood . What did he use to
flatten out the faces of those beams ? hours and hours of hand plane work using Stanly #5 #6 #7 hand planes and winding sticks ? No . A few dozen minutes with a Power Planer. Nothing wrong with that.

I have no use for those little phallic symbol cheese slicers, and apparently , neither did the
the guru when it came to a large and time consuming endeavor with hand planes . Thus, my inspiration
for doing the inverse . I am certainly not going to make a habit out of it . Every ten years or so is enough
for me . I don’t have imeediate plans to go desert biking in Moab , but it could happen. It was a nice 30 day refresher course , ..........costs :

1. Tuition…...................................................$ 00.00
2. Replace one broken coping saw….....................8.00
3. Oak and walnut …................................................who cares ?
4. coping saw blades…..............................................? see alternate ledger
5. alternate ledger….................................................
? see (deleted) file
6. Yak ( ie. brandy , cognac ) ....................................who counts ? (none while working)
......................................................................................................................................................... I thought about handles while doing the overlays . Since i have no desire to interupt the pattern of the fret
work for some reason , i eliminated the handles . If you doint need handles , you don’t always need hinges . So, you can see from the picture ( if you are reading this now in July ) what i mean about not using handles or hinges on this cabinet . Its just a simple wine cabinet . I have done the explanation of this project in
advance . I am not that efficient normaly , ....ummmm…neverly .

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#12 posted 894 days ago

!!

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#13 posted 893 days ago

I’m totally impressed with fine scroll work. specially with the patience it takes. There is no way I could do it. Good job man. I don’t think many other people have that kind of patience, either. They can’t even read about it.

-- I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. I'm sorry,thanks.

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#14 posted 893 days ago

This is the most difficult post I have ever tried to follow. What am I missing?
Coping, fret work, brandy, what?????
Just tryin’ to understand. Maybe I need some brandy. Which one?
Bill

-- bill@magraphics.us

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#15 posted 893 days ago

Thanks Randy You and I have both knocked around in the trades ,and you know where
I’m coming from . Long repetitive tasks are more fun when you are doing it for yourself .

@ Bill I’m talking about how I cut some oak 1×4x1/4 inch oak with a coping saw , which I plan to overlay on some 3/4 in. thick oak doors . I haven’t built the doors yet , but the overlays are finished . A coping saw is just like a scroll saw , but without the motor . You just have to have a weak mind and not be afraid of arthritic shoulder and finger pain ; thats where the brandy comes in handy . Drink up , cheers . : )

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