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03-16-2012 01:31 PM

Topic tags/keywords: dust collectors reviews question

Greetings All,

I need to upgrade the dust collection in my shop and came across the Clear Vue Cyclone system.

Does anyone out there have any experience with this system? Any comments would be appreciated.

TommyTenSpeed


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Mark Shymanski

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#1 posted 03-27-2012 03:21 PM

Type in ‘Clear Vue’ in the search tool (upper right corner) and you will get a bunch of posts about this system.

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#2 posted 03-27-2012 03:25 PM

I think ClearVue, Oneida, and PSI have verrrrry good reputations.

My $0.02.

-- -- Neil

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#3 posted 03-27-2012 03:55 PM

I have bought a Clear Vue and still have it in the box. I haven’t had the time to get it out and assembly things. I looked at the reputation of the different brands and the customer complaints of the different brands. I have not read about a dissatisfied customer from Clear Vue. I have occasionally read about poor customer from some of the others. I looked at eh horse power I could buy from each and the cost. I decided I could buy a Clear Vue 5 hp system for about the same cost that I could buy the same hp from other companies. This is supposed to be one of the best designs available. So, 1) good reputation, 2) no customer complaints, 3) same hp rating or better in most cases, 4)with $200 of the same cost, 5) best design, 6) uses the best filters….why not have the best. No I am not a Clear Vue employ nor do I have any Clear Vue stock. Those are the things I looked at when making my decision. I know other people tell me they have done the same thing for $200 but I think in many cases it was so bad that any relief in their shop was HUGE improvement. I think any improvement is wonderful but is your health worth a little more. My decision. Good luck in your research. Get braced for the piping.

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#4 posted 03-27-2012 04:03 PM

I have a Clearvue cyclone and love it. For price/power/design I don’t think you can buy anything comparable to it. My second choice would be a cyclone from PSI; they are also well designed. Personally wouldn’t touch Oneida; I find they are overpriced and their filters are undersized for their machines.
My review of Clearvue:
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/2451

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#5 posted 03-28-2012 01:50 AM

I have a Clear Vue and love it. Their price performance and dust separation are tough to beat. I wrote an extensive review about the setup process and before/after results of CFM measurements at all of my tool ports here: http://www.wwgoa.com/articles/product-reviews/stepping-up-to-better-dust-collection/

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#6 posted 03-28-2012 02:14 AM

I was wondering about oneida air systems myself,guess i know,good luck.

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#7 posted 03-28-2012 02:50 AM

Geeze, and here I thought for the last 10+ years my Oneida cyclone was doing a great job. If only I would have known…

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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#8 posted 03-28-2012 03:15 AM

I have an oneida. no problems. Runs for several hours each day. As stated about the filter being too small, I couldnt tell you as Im not a cyclone scientist but I will say that they (oneida) did their homework on there products. As far as comparison to others in price, cant help you, I wanted a good one so I bought one. enjoy!

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#9 posted 03-28-2012 12:14 PM

Got tired of all the hype about collectors an built my own..in my projects…works just fine..

-- IF YOUR NOT MAKING DUST...YOU ARE COLLECTING IT! SOUTH CAROLINA.

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#10 posted 03-28-2012 01:15 PM

This is my Oneida cyclone, I retrofitted a late model blower assembly to the early model cyclone so I would have the late model filter. It originally had the internal filter which I agree was too small. But I personally don’t think that this filter is “too small”. Performance improved when I did this.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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#11 posted 03-28-2012 08:21 PM

I’m sorry, but the clearvue just looks like a collection of parts you could get together yourself and make for a lot less. All that MDF that it uses instead of STEEL looks like it’s overpriced, to me. Until I see a definitive unbiased 3rd party comparison that says Clearvue is much better and worth what they ask, I’m going to doubt the validity. I’m pretty sure that Oneida has done a lot of R&D on their product. I’d like to see a head to head comparison of a 5HP Clearvue, like the CV1800 against a comparable 5HP Oneida, like the Pro 2000.

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#12 posted 03-29-2012 03:09 AM

The unit pictured above is $1895 and it has one filter on it. The Clear Vue CV1800 is $1476 with 2 filters on it. I can’t say how many inches of filtering media are in the Oneida. I got the Clear Vue shipped free to my door. It does have some MDF in it. I read Bill Pendtz’ article on the internet and I think he has done a lot of research. He sold his design to Clear Vue for the separator. I would not say that Oneida is a bad collection system but I did read about someone that had a bad time with customer service and it was on LJ as I recall. I think Penn State has built good units also but I also read someone’s complaint and thought I didn’t need that.
Tommy just asked if anyone had any experience with the Clear Vue system. I don’t know if he has come across a used one or if he just found it listed on the internet or what he has found but I don’t think anyone has slammed the Oneida. They are simply comparing the filters and we aren’t sure which model had the small filter. I just looked at the Grizzly and saw that the 3 hp cost about the same as the 5 hp CV1800. When I was in the Grizzly store I was looking at the 2 hp and the 3 hp sitting on the show room floor. a customer walked by and said get the bit one the first time. I had to come back and get a larger one. Made me think some more.

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#13 posted 03-29-2012 04:40 AM

LOL Grandpa, sorry to say, you just showed that you don’t really know a lot regarding Oneida, so you just keep it up. It is amusing.

That unit that is pictured when I bought it new was somewhere around $650 The comparable unit to that one today may be the V-System 1500 that lists for $1,186. Far cry from your $1895 you mentioned. Or maybe the 2 HP Super Dust Gorilla that lists for $1475 but its motor is bigger the unit pictured above.

The only one that Oneida sells for $1895 is in their Pro line, the Pro 2000 HEPA which is meant for professional shops (hence the Pro in its name) and not for the home one man shop woodworker That thing does 1973 Max. CFM! The Clear Cue only does 1442 CFM, so how can you compare them?

So try comparing apples and apples.

I’ll try and do that. The Clear Vue specs it’s CFM at 1442. That would match up to Oneida’s 2.5 HP Super Dust Gorilla HEPA which specs out at 1440 CFM and lists for $1635. That’s only $159 more then the Clear Vue. And guess what? The Oneida is constructed out of all metal, no MDF involved. Hmmm. Maybe that’s why the Oneida costs a little more. Ya think?

Ok so they’re both in the 1440 CFM range. But hey! Oneida does it with half the HP thus it uses less electricity and costs you less to run. That might be a plus. And it might also mean that Oneida has a more efficient blower assembly design and impeller design. Could it be Oneida knows what they’re doing?? Raw HP doesn’t mean more CFM

And the filter. Doesn’t really matter if it’s 4 times as big. What matters is the effective surface area of the filter material and that is a factor of how the pleats in the filter are designed. So yes the filter may be physically twice but as far as its filter area they both may be the same. Can’t tell by looking.

Now, Oneida supplies a fan curve for that cyclone, I couldn’t seem to find one for the Clear Vue. I’d like to see it to compare so if anyone knows where it is please let me know. So both cyclones spec out at he same CFM, but that doesn’t really mean much because manufacturers tend to spec out the maximum value and that doesn’t show its operating curve. So without a fan curve you don’t know if you get the CFM with it connected to 40 feet of pipe or only 2 feet of pipe. A fan curve will tell you that.

So in comparing these two cyclones, the Clear Vue and the 2.5 HP Super Dust Gorilla HEPA, I can’t tell you which is better. So I’m not going to. And I’m certainly not going to do it by how it looks or how much it cost. Get me a fan curve for the Clear Vue and I’ll be able to tell which will perform better using a given diameter and length of pipe attached.

But I will say if I’m buying something for $1500 and I can spend 10% more and get all metal construction, you can bet I wood. (Pun intended.)

And, I would wonder why it takes the Clear Vue 5HP to get the same CFM that the Oneida gets with a mere 2.5HP. That makes me think the design isn’t as good.

I’m going to try and get the fan curve for the Clear Vue and we’ll see. If they’re up front like Oneida is they will have one and provide it.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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#14 posted 03-29-2012 01:07 PM

Well that really didn’t take long, see Clear Vue’s reply below to my request for a Fan Curve graph for their cyclone.

Clear Vue doesn’t have a fan curve for that cyclone. So you can’t determine which cyclone may perform better. So, it appears no testing was done on the Clear Vue cyclone by Clear Vue to determine CFM vs Static Pressure and produce a Fan Curve graph so that the actual performance of the Clear Vue cyclone can be known. Or they don’t want to share it.

That always makes me suspect when manufacturers are not willing to share that performance information be it cyclone or dust collector.

Without a Fan Curve graph you can’t determine air velocity, CFM, based on duct diameter, length and its resulting static pressure for a given duct work design.

So, in my previous comparison which one is really better? No one can say based on facts.

In light of this, I would rule out the Clear Vue and go with the Oneida because all the information is available to determine performance, air velocity, CFM, etc. for a given duct work design. And pay the extra $159 to get an all metal design, no wood, no plastic involved, thank you very much.

You won’t be shooting in the dark and hoping it will perform well, you will know how it will perform.

Good morning Curtis:

Unfortunately we do not have a fan curve at this time. That being said, there is a wealth of information available on our product, including a static pressure calculator, on Bill Pentz’s website at http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/index.cfm.

Please don’t hesitate to ask if I can help with anything else!

Take care,
Cathy

Clear Vue Cyclones
8633 South 212th Street
Kent, Washington 98031
1-888-299-0221, ext. 700
www.clearvuecyclones.com

So I did reply to that message, explaining what I said above, without a Fan Curve graph the performance for a given duct work design can’t be determined. I also asked if I missed the Fan Curve graph for it on Bill Pentz’s site. We’ll see what they say.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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#15 posted 03-29-2012 01:34 PM

The engineer in me always wants to base things on facts. Not perception, not on rumor, or color or shape or even price. Until I know the facts, the specifications.

Only then can you know if any difference in price is worth the difference in price. And worth it to you.

-- -Curt, Milwaukee, WI

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