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Forum topic by SteveMI posted 03-11-2012 03:27 AM 6734 views 2 times favorited 32 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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03-11-2012 03:27 AM

I finally got to the point on my list to make a box. Not an Andy box or Brit box yet, but a simple box. I wanted to include some inlay like Jim Finn does in the top. My after build list of lessons learned is long and I am confident the next box will get me past some of the issues.

My real issue is the blasted hinges. If cost wasn’t an issue, the Brusso hinges would win in a heat beat. My intent is to have a hinge with minimal showing on the outside. I bought an inexpensive set at Woodcraft, but had to recess they quite a bit into the lid and side to have the lid shut flat. I expect to route out for the hinge to mount, just don’t want it as far recessed.

What are some suggestions, tips or advise? Are there hinges in the 3/4” by 1 1/2” size that have the rotating pin offset so the hinge is flat?

BTW – box is 6” square by 3” high, cherry sides and maple backing for the inlay. Just BLO with Briwax.

Steve.


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#1 posted 03-11-2012 03:45 AM

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#2 posted 03-11-2012 04:02 AM

SOSS are great hinges. Their smallest size (100) are too risky for me on 1/2” sides, plus the lid would have to be thicker. Best price of $20 doesn’t work well in my market for a smaller box.

Steve.

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#3 posted 03-11-2012 04:45 AM

I use the 5mm barrel hinge from woodcraft amazingly strong and almost hidden

used them in over 6k boxes so far never a return because of hinge failure real good product I use them on humidors and any box I build cheap the best part.

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#4 posted 03-11-2012 01:41 PM

Pono – I have a couple sets of the SOSS barrel hinges in my shop, but haven’t figured out how to install them properly so they are aimed in the right direction. I really should just try a set on something. Any tips on aiming or gluing them to install?

Steve.

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#5 posted 03-11-2012 01:53 PM

Pono – Do you use a fractional drill bit for the 5mm? I don’t have any metric bits at present.
Steve.

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#6 posted 03-11-2012 02:06 PM

Is gluing even always necessary, since they come with an expander bolt?

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#7 posted 03-11-2012 03:43 PM

Pono – I have a couple sets of the SOSS barrel hinges in my shop, but haven’t figured out how to install them properly so they are aimed in the right direction. I really should just try a set on something. Any tips on aiming or gluing them to install?

Practice on some scrap Steve. After awhile, you’ll be real good at it.

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#8 posted 03-11-2012 05:04 PM

Played in the sawdust box a bit this morning.

The 5 mm barrel hinges that I have need the rear edge to be beveled or rounded, which I need to think about. These were not SOSS and didn’t have the mechanism for a hidden design.

I also had some 10 mm SOSS barrel hinges. Since the box was for development and learning anyway I took a run at it with those. The 10 mm says it can be used in 1/2” wood and after my trial it is no problem. Just to check fractional drill bit sizes, I measured the OD of the barrel and chose a drill. First experiment was using plywood and the hole was too small, so I moved up 1/64”. Experiment went good, so on to the box. Drilling in the cherry lid, the larger bit gave too loose of a fit even with the screw to move the side out. I went back to the 1/64” smaller for the box side and it was just right. Second real problem came with the lid being only 1/2” thick and the hinges needing about 5/8” depth to fit flush. Add that to the “who needs a reference fence for the drill to be right distance from the edge” debacle, which caused the lid to be canted. As I have said, this box was for learning.

Actually the double bevel inlay was much easier than the box.

Steve.

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#9 posted 03-11-2012 05:15 PM

LIGHT APPLICATIONS ONLY

http://www.soss.com/images/catalog/Barrel-Hinge-Group.jpg

U.I.P. # Min. Door Drill Bit Drill Bit Dimensions (mm) Thickness (mm) (in.) A B C D min. E max.
BH084 7/16” 8 mm Letter “O” 8 9.6 11.6 1.9 1.1
BH104 1/2” 10 mm 25/64” 10 11 16.5 2.5 2
BH124 5/8” 12 mm 15/32” 12 13.5 20 2.5 2
BH144 3/4” 14 mm 35/64” 14 15.5 23 3 3
BH164 7/8” 16 mm 5/8” 16 16.5 25 3 3
BH184 11/8” 18 mm 45/64” 18 17.5 27 3 3
BH244 11/4” 24 mm 15/16” 24 25 36.5 3.5 3.5

How about soss barrel hinges?

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#10 posted 03-11-2012 05:57 PM

I will post some pictures of the process I use to hinge ,works pretty good and fast and easy once you get it down.Woodcraft should have the matching bit for the hinges I make the sides 3/8” thick cuts down on wood movement and you can get 2 boxes from a 1” board.you w

You will have to cut the 45 degree on the top and bottom after you drill the holes

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#11 posted 03-11-2012 06:33 PM

waho6o9 – Now how would I have thought to go to the actual product website for information? I went there and found out all I need and more. Then I Googled the BH104 and found pricing at 50% of Woodcraft from at least two online sources. That pricing puts them in the right ball park.

I downloaded the drawing (PDF) for the hinge and now know how I should set up a template. That could become another saga.

I just jointed, planed and cut down wood for box #2. I’m going to change a few dimensions so the hinges will work per the drawing. Updates to come.

Steve.

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#12 posted 03-11-2012 07:14 PM

nice inlay Steve.

-- "You may have your PHD but I have my GED and my DD 214"

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#13 posted 03-11-2012 09:33 PM

Jim – I used a lot of your notes from LJ and Scrollsawer on double bevel. I fully understand why you keep one saw set at the angle, I don’t have that available now.

Steve.

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#14 posted 03-23-2012 03:54 PM

You can still use the cheaper hinges by swagging (sp?) the hinge. I take the little hinge and put it in my vise or hammer them flat. That way the box will close flat with little(the thickness of one wing of the hinge) morticing. This is the way I do it.

My .02

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#15 posted 03-23-2012 04:17 PM

Steve, I just did a blog on installing barrel hinges. Maybe it will help a bit.

http://lumberjocks.com/KentS/blog/29058

http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=270&site=ROCKLER
There are other sites that are cheaper if you buy in larger quantities.

-- http://shepherdtoolandsupply.com/

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